[wordhydrogen]

Just speculating here but isn’t jumping out a window in Russia usually an implication it was ordered by the Russian state (ex: FSB) while in the US a framed suicides are assumed to be done by numerous non-associated actors. So in one place a single entity is responsible and in another it’s multiple entities.

It doesn’t seem surprising to me that there would be an affinity towards a particular method within entities.

[lostlogin]

> jumping out a window

Or a poisoning with a ludicrously rare poison, a strange car crash, a plane falling out the sky, dying at a gulag when you were fine a few days earlier etc etc.

It’s a very unsafe place when you don’t toe the line.

[thaumasiotes]

> a plane falling out the sky

> It’s a very unsafe place when you don’t toe the line.

This one seems less like "it's a very unsafe place" and more like Prigozhin was trying to be killed. He went into open armed rebellion and negotiated a deal where he was exiled to Belarus. Then he went back to Russia, where he experienced a fatal plane crash. He would have to have been a total idiot not to see that coming.† What happened?

† My favorite story in this general vein is what happened with the Mitanni king Tushratta, whose brother the king was killed by a usurper when Tushratta was young. Tushratta inherited the throne, and the usurper, Tuhi, held power as regent until Tushratta came of age.

At which point Tushratta had Tuhi and his coconspirators executed. This was 3400 years ago, but somehow I suspect that even then this wouldn't have been hard to predict.

[lostlogin]

> He would have to have been a total idiot not to see that coming

The confusing bit for me is why did it go on for so long? It’s one thing to kill him, but seemingly letting him back into Putin’s circle before killing him is surprising. I hope to hear the story one day.

[card_zero]

Technically I don't think Navalny was fine a few days earlier, I understood that he had ongoing poor health due to, uh, being previously poisoned.

[tim333]

Here's video of him the day before looking not exactly on deaths door https://youtu.be/pUwOYeei5MU

[pydry]

>It’s a very unsafe place when you don’t toe the line.

Very much like America, apparently.

The part where plenty of people express skepticism that theses death were really suspicious seems to be similar too.

[whacko_quacko]

> Very much like America, apparently.

No. America isn't in the habit of regularily murdering dissidents

[lostlogin]

Is anyone refuting this? It’s hardly a wild claim.

[whacko_quacko]

Did you read the parent?

[pydry]

Did you read the title of this thread?

[dijit]

that's what the parent is saying.