[remram]

I read the blog, then I clicked on the big "back" button at the top labeled "Unchained" and read that, then I went to your homepage and read that, then I clicked "get started" and read that page too.

I still have no idea what Chainguard is, or what those images do. All I know is those images are "hardened", is that the only thing they're for? Is that Chainguard's product?

[amouat]

I work at Chainguard.

In a nutshell we produce minimal container images with a low CVE count. In many cases they should be drop in replacements for the containers you are currently using.

This is particularly useful if your team uses a scanner like trivy/snyk/grype/Docker Scout and spends time investigating CVEs. Less CVES == less time investigating. It can also be critical in regulated environments.

[remram]

Why not put that information on your website?

For example, put that exact sentence in place of this useless tag line:

> Build it right. Build it safe. Build it fast.

[jacques_chester]

Not at Chainguard but I've watched their growth.

I think this comes down to audience. To a lot of engineers it's just like ... "OK, that's nice. What else?"

But for security teams in large enterprises, Chainguard is like manna from heaven. They immediately understand what is really being sold: the elimination of enormous amounts of compulsory toil due to upgrading vulnerable software -- or having to nag other teams to do it.

It's a bit like visiting the site of a medical devices manufacturer. I probably don't know what the device does, but the target audience sure do.

[ravedave5]

I just heard of this today and I was like OMG this will save me so. much. time. chasing engineers and teams and creating work around for dumb stuff that the base images refuse to fix because it's a "false positive". I unfortunately HAVE to fix all high CVEs, regardless of peoples opinions.

[candiddevmike]

> But for security teams in large enterprises, Chainguard is like manna from heaven. They immediately understand what is really being sold: the elimination of enormous amounts of compulsory toil due to upgrading vulnerable software -- or having to nag other teams to do it.

Explain to me how Chainguard helps with this. Everywhere I've worked, this process has very specific needs depending on the companies internal and regulatory requirements. Chainguard may help with proof of origin/base imaging, but it doesn't do much beyond what container registries and tools like dependabot/snyk/dependency track already provide (not saying they're directly related), which doesn't really reduce that much toil.

[dlor]

The big ones that help are SBOMs, STIGs, FIPS, and CVE reduction. The images and the paperwork we provide make it so they can be dropped in to even the most regulated environments without toil.

Most of our customers use them for FedRAMP or IL 5/6 stuff out of the box.

[jacques_chester]

It doesn't eliminate all toil, but it eliminates a lot. At least their customers think so.

[candiddevmike]

As someone who has been watching Chainguard since they were "spun out" of Google, they started out trying to be the defacto container supply chain security company, realized everyone else was already doing that and well ahead of them, and have done a few pivots trying to find PMF. I think they've found more success being consultants, which is probably not what they hoped for.

[dlor]

I can confirm our business is roughly 0 percent consulting and that it's 100% selling these hardened images.

[mistrial9]

I turn away immediately at religious terminology being reused verbatim for commercial environments

[jacques_chester]

I'm an atheist, for what it's worth.

If it helps, substitute "Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra" instead.

[astockwell]

Many organizations pay people (or entire teams) to maintain a suite of hardened images, either for device/firmware applications, or because they use many languages in-house, etc. This is definitely one of those business models I thought "oh, of course" as soon as I saw it.

[dlor]

Yep, that's it - the product is hardened container images!