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by Loughla 830 days ago
The problem with this, with Wikipedia specifically is the good faith part.

It isn't adherence to strict rules that is the problem. It's the massively toxic little kingdoms that have become established among power users/moderators.

Like it or don't. Them is the facts.
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The_Colonel 830 days ago
> It's the massively toxic little kingdoms that have become established among power users/moderators.

I wonder how a distributed architecture where each king operates its own kingdom is going to help with this problem.

(And yes, it is a problem, but also essentially a part of human nature. You can't fix it, only mitigate it)

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tux3 830 days ago
On the other hand, it is very democratic. With many of the flaws of a democracy,

If you see a kingdom, in principle and in practice the emperor has no clothes. No single person has any special power or ownership over articles. If someone acts that way, you get to tell them what you think of it, if you like, and you'll very much be in the right. And if you are, others should agree and side with you.

There aren't moderators as such, people are supposed to talk to each other, directly. If you don't like how someone seems to act like they own the place, it won't change unless you tell em how you feel!

The thing is people who aren't afraid to give their opinions tend to talk over quieter people. I'm afraid I don't have a very good cure to offer, but please don't feel like anyone's too big of a power-user to have a little respectful, civil chat with. Please, template the regulars! They either respond politely, or they lash out and make an ass of themselves in public.

The problem is the rules apply equally to everyone, but the power users know exactly where the line is and how the bureaucracy works. "The law, in its majestic equality, allows administrators and newcomers alike to revert edits per policy, report 3RR violations, and open AN/I threads about people they don't like"

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chris_wot 827 days ago
Except you get mobs forming on AN/I and they allow toxic users to fester. BrownHairedGirl was allowed to fester on the project for years. Innumerable productive members left or were banned as a direct result of her and her supporters.
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vkou 830 days ago
That makes it no different from a run-of-the-mill legal system.

Which, for their flaws, do sometimes produce results.

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