[aslihana]

> recalled one manager saying at an all-hands meeting that Boeing didn’t need senior engineers because its products were mature.

Shame. Industrial companies, if you decide as pincher, you will be doomed in your little world... as it always has been :)

[FirmwareBurner]

Most big "industrial-like" product companies are pinchers when it comes to SW. They offshore a lot hence why they pay SW devs so little. And it mostly works for them.

It works for them, because like Boeing said, they have old battles tested processes which usually means big mistakes can easily get caught ahead of time. And if big mistakes don't get caught they usually can't kill anyone and generate a huge public scandal.

[gostintheshell]

I don't think it works for them, I think they are just entrenched with good moats.

What I think actually happens is they get to prove all sorts of ridiculous things are good management and that all sorts of managers need to be coming up with complex ways to manage what would be obvious in a situation where reality was still visible underneath.

In the end they pay a lot more than if they had competent individual contributors and less darwinian fights to the death in their org charts. But having a better organization is not really compatible with the incentive system involved.

[aslihana]

I can easily say some of them calls themselves as "futuristic" pays too many unrequired attention and money much more than they pay technological infrastructure... what a oxymoron