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by zeroonetwothree 825 days ago
You said "even in theory" which is obviously wrong, since the (local) universe is finite and deterministic, hence it is itself a giant lookup table.
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> the (local) universe is finite and deterministic,

Radioactive decay and spontaneous pair production say otherwise on the deterministic front.

> the (local) universe is finite and deterministic

"It is not possible for the Universe being deterministic at any level. Only theories can be deterministic, practical reality is never"[0]

Q: Can you calculate your local universe's past states given its present state?

[0] https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/99163/is-it-p...

Where are you going to get all that time and space to build a lookup table? Are you sure you're able to measure all state at enough precision to make an accurate table?
Doesn't matter given the original statement spawning this subthread was:

> People can not be reduced to lookup tables even in theory

What theories are you using to solve for:

- consciousness?

- the unknown?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necessity_and_sufficiency

- the misunderstood?

https://plato.stanford.edu/Entries/perception-problem/

The Science of the Gaps will do I suppose?

Culture could do it though I think.

Can you rephrase that?

It currently reads like shifting goalposts, and I'd like to guess that was not your intention…

Any theory that asserts exhaustive coverage of people would need to take all relevant aspects of reality into consideration, so I suggested some of the trickiest things that are relevant.

Unfortunately for me, they are so tricky that they "don't count" (try, genuinely, to model the reality bending capability of people in a theory, I would love to see that!).

> model the reality bending capability of people

Much to the disappointment of my teenage self who would really have liked the shape-shifting spell to work, I don't see any evidence we can bend reality.

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> consciousness?

I think this is a red herring. We can talk about P-Zombies, but we lack the means to determine if some random human (let alone AI) is one.

> the unknown?

> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necessity_and_sufficiency

> the misunderstood?

What about them? I still don't know why these are an interesting problem in this scenario.

> https://plato.stanford.edu/Entries/perception-problem/

Isn't one of the big criticisms of AI at the moment the fact that they do this slight more than humans, and we can point and laugh at them?

(While conveniently forgetting that half of us were Yani and the other half Laurel, that half of us were blue and black while the other half were white and gold, etc.)

> The Science of the Gaps will do I suppose?

A reference to the ever diminishing role for God in the late 19th century onwards, but I'm not sure how you're using it here?

> Culture could do it though I think.

Banks? Sure, but fictional.

Then I would say your theoretical model is wrong or incomplete or makes for a circular argument (it's an assumption and not proven that finite matter evolving through time reduces to a lookup table).
Simply not true. Of course it is comforting for computer people to believe the world they live in is a giant computer, but that is not our real reality.