[FrustratedMonky]

That is true. There is nothing unique to humans.

Everything is a sliding scale.

Eagles can 'see' better than humans. No one is is up in arms about how wonderfully unique human eye-sight is, how Eagles are using 'just instincts'. Humans are divine in how complex their sight is, that it could never occur in other animals or machines. Totally impossible that we would ever have a machine that can 'capture images'.

[Ginden]

This, but unironically. Humans have the best daylight eyesight in mammals, and only birds of prey come close.

[FrustratedMonky]

I picked 'sight'.

But there is laundry list of features that some animal does better.

Humans on whole do everything 'ok'. Humans have a lot of features, and for each feature they aren't the 'best', but on aggregate they do them all together on average better. They are one animal that combine total features better than any single animal.

Guess my point, is when it comes to 'mind' people are still thinking humans are divinely 'exceptional'. But really, it is one more 'feature' that the human animal does best, but that does not mean other animals don't have the same feature, but scaled down.

Seems like people complaining that 'bees' aren't intelligent are just trying to keep humans propped up on a pedestal. When really, it is one more feature that is scaled.

[bee_rider]

Does it effectively keep the humans on a pedestal to consider our traits as fundamentally different?

I think it is all on a continuum, humans are animals. But putting us on that continuum makes all the animals look like absolute garbage, intelligence-wise. If we want to put humans in the game, we’re going to be absolutely dunking on, like, every animal in terms of ability to abstract and teach concepts.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=H-fC9uNyhWo

[FrustratedMonky]

Technically humans are dunking on all other animals. We're killing them all rather handily.

I'm arguing against the group that think humans aren't animals, that they are imbued with some extra metaphysical secrete sauce that we are incapable of understanding.

This group usually come out strong against any of these studies that hint at some continuum that includes humans and animals on same scale. Even if humans are on far end of the scale.