[foxbee]

Wow - did you just completely rip off Attio's website:

Your website: https://teable.io/

Attios website: https://attio.com/

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Also, what makes this different from:

Budibase (cofounder) https://budibase.com

Baserow https://baserow.com

Nocodb https://nocodb.com

[bieberChen]

I'm truly sorry if our actions have caused any offense. Our team consists of 5 freelance programmers without any designers on board, and without any funding, so we had to tackle the design aspect ourselves. Initially, we planned to use a colorful gradient theme, but found the UI coordination too challenging for us. It was then that we came across the beautiful simplicity of shadcn, and decided to go with a black and white theme.

We did look at various black and white themed websites on the market, including Notion and Attio, but I assure you, we did not plagiarize any images. Thank you for your critique. We will make it our priority to adjust our design to be more unique as swiftly as possible.

[sigmarule]

Don't apologize for using a theme for your landing page. And don't apologize to a competitor who is throwing shade and linking to their competing product.

[byteofbits]

I think it's a bit strange to reply directly that you did not plagiarise any images when the opening table cell background is a direct lift of the SVG from our site...

[haswell]

As a neutral observer, it’s hard to make sense of what exactly you’re saying was copied.

What is the opening table cell background? Is this something in the app code itself, or something that made it onto the public site? And this SVG was custom made by your company?

[byteofbits]

The creator chose to remove the image in question following my post.

You can see the image behind the central video on the wayback machine archive here: https://web.archive.org/web/20240311143537/https://teable.io...

The asset was created in-house by our design team custom for our website (not outsourced or a template) and was copied identically. The asset itself is a small thing, but the denial of something which is materially provable seemed very odd to me, hence my reply!

[haswell]

Thanks for sharing the details. They got to the image before I got to this thread, so this is super helpful.

And that’s pretty appalling. As a product manager who had to be aware of what our competitors were doing, I can’t even begin to understand how someone thought directly lifting assets was a good idea.

For legal reasons at minimum, but for ethical reasons as well.

We always made a point of not letting our design people even see competitor’s stuff for exactly this reason.

[nolongerthere]

Looks like they used framer.com based on a pop up I see on the bottom right, so maybe that’s a template?

[djfdat]

They should really think about changing out the theme asap. It may not be their fault that they used the same template and their logos look similar, but being the new entrant, they should definitely establish their own brand look.

[esafak]

They should not be thinking about branding at this stage. They should be thinking about differentiation, and delivering value. Getting in front of customers. Their landing page looks perfectly adequate from an aesthetic perspective.

[bieberChen]

Sure we will, this week.

[sigmarule]

In all honesty, don't. Seriously, this is bad advice. Nobody is going to visit your website and say "woah, this looks like Attio's website - I'm out!" with, evidently, the exception of a few folks from Attio. The website looks good, you and the other company aren't truly direct competitors so branding conflicts are not much of a concern, and if you both truly just derived your designs from a root common theme then I don't know why this is even being brought up here, unless the other commenters were unaware that their design was derived from a template. There are undoubtedly things significantly more worth spending time on as a very early startup then redesigning your website to appease a few people on HN, who were (assuming the common template bit is true) in the wrong for raising this issue to begin with and and should be updating their comment with this context.

EDIT - apologies, the OP here is not from Attio which was my assumption and would've made the OP's post unnecessary but an understandable reflex to seeing a doppelganger of their own website. If you check the OP's profile to see which company they're _actually_ from you will certainly realize that this entire comment chain should be fully ignored. It's pretty shitty, actually.

[foxbee]

I think I was pretty open in my comment (cofounder).

They copied Attio's SVG image and everything. My issue was not the aesthetics but the fact they copied another organization's work. Surely, you don't think that's right?

[sigmarule]

Are you serious, man? You edited your comment, twice. We both know your comment did not include "(cofounder)", but did include unnecessary jabs at your your competitor ("this makes me lose all faith in our credibility.") when you posted it. I've used Budibase and think it's a great product, and couldn't have anything but respect for the people behind it. You're above this.

EDIT - Apologies, you did indeed include "(cofounder)" in your original post, I just missed it (based on bing's cached page.) Regardless, this is not the way to deal with competitors, and frankly your product speaks for itself. And perhaps obscene amounts of torrenting in my teenage years has permanently skewed my moral compass for these things, but I really don't care about table cell background svg theft.

[fkyoureadthedoc]

> Also, what makes this different from

With no prior knowledge of any of these and briefly glancing through each site, the main thing that sticks out to me is that Teable is free as in has no pricing page (for now at least)

[foxbee]

The others are open source