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by aNoob7000 823 days ago
Bitcoin as money died a while back. Now, it is going to replace gold and other assets.
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Bitcoin as M1 "base" money has surpassed the British Pound in value[1], and has surpassed the US dollar FedNow network in number of payments[2].

[1] https://www.nobsbitcoin.com/bitcoin-is-now-5th-largest-base-... [2] https://rumble.com/v4h9oqc-483-bitcoin-is-the-7th-largest-ba...

Its worth noting that FedNow was only rolled out in July of 2023[1] making it a poor measuring stick for total transactions, since most banks have not yet adopted the standard yet.

[1]https://www.investopedia.com/what-is-fednow-7963716

It's not money in the real sense. You can't buy water with it. You can't buy medicine with it. You can't buy land with it. The map is not the territory with Bitcoin.
I am a European, so when I visit the USA or the UK I would be "unable" to buy anything with my credit card ?

No, of course not: the payment provider does an on-the-fly conversion for me into whichever currency is required on the other end.

There are a ton of banks that now give out credit cards that support Bitcoin wallets. I, personally, have 3: Revolut (https://www.revolut.com/crypto/), BitPanda (https://www.bitpanda.com/en/card) and Wirex (https://wirexapp.com/card).

There are more options in the EU (such as Xapo Bank) and even more in the US, like Strike (https://www.strike.me) and Cash app.

I guess you could if you're willing and able to pay someone else to make the purchase on your behalf; I doubt it's a widespread practice though.
Any money first has to establish itself as a stable store of value. Only then can it be useful as a medium of exchange and unit of account.

Look up Gresham and Thiers' Laws

I just don't understand why anyone who "hodls" Bitcoin, and the similar, trust the price - as it's not grounded on anything?
what is gold grounded it? its value for circuits? or because other people want gold?

youve been able to hold bitcoin in a retirement account for a decade now, depending on your start date ... could be a good or bad investment.

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/GBTC/chart#eyJpbnRlcnZhbCI6I...

if you bought at any time besides in the year 2021, your investment held its value. at this point, its just a place to park value, until its not. unlike the other comment saying its not gold, it clearly is functioning as gold-like.

So it's grounded on encryption. Break the encryption and all is worthless tomorrow.
If someone were able to break Bitcoin's encryption we'd have much bigger problems to worry about - It would upend modern cryptography.
I think there is enough people who have brainwashed themselves that Bitcoin is the magical new super gold... Add to this cohort of grifters who peddle it and gold... Some "sound money" theorist in too.

I'm believe our current economic system entirely bonkers and going to crash, but that doesn't mean we won't build it on fiat again... But some people think we will go back to some type of hard money... For which bitcoin is the internet age grift...

Dropped yesterday: "Peter Schiff vs Raoul Pal Debate: Bitcoin Going To $0 or $1 Million & A Great Depression Coming?" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfHCly1ZCQ0

Where Raoul has refined his narrative but still ends with attempting to demonize, fear monger, and attempting to instil doubt that (or perhaps it's part of self-soothing) that maybe the other side ("anti-Bitcoiners") is simply too rigid in their logic - and why their logic, that seemingly "pro-Bitcoiners" are starting to understand - so they just need to be sure to loosen up some, in case their solid logic is too strict; the irony here is that thinking or advice here is projecting.