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by bbstats 831 days ago
Models are hard and causation near impossible, but feel pretty safe being on the "arrow of causality pointing from lead to low IQ" rather than the hilarious inverse...
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> the hilarious inverse

Made me think of this:

1. Make up some scientific "evidence" that exposure to some common, harmless substance is actually harmful.

2. People believe it. Smart people make an effort to avoid it. Dumb people don't care.

3. Measure it 30 years later, and now there's a correlation between higher IQ and lower exposure to the substance. Higher IQ causes lower exposure to the substance.

I'm not saying this is the case with Pb, it's just a funny idea.

There are longitudinal studies that track people from childhood before the dangers of lead were widely known. There are also comparative studies where populations are studied with respect to occupational exposure.

  Smart people make an effort to avoid it, dumb people don't care.
With lead how would a smart person do this? Move from the US to a country that banned leaded gasoline earlier?

Is your sense that the number of smart people leaving the US each year is greater than the number of smart people moving to the US each year?

Not parent, but:

> I'm not saying this is the case with Pb, it's just a funny idea.

Not nearly as hilarious as the idea that lead is more harmful at levels <5 mcg/dL than it is in the 10-20 mcg/dL range. But that's the only way to explain the available data while attributing the observed correlation to Pb neurotoxicity. And indeed, it's the mainstream view among lead-IQ researchers.

Back when lead levels were mostly in the 10-20 mcg/dL range, the observed correlations with IQ were typically around 3-5 IQ points per standard deviation of lead exposure. Now that lead levels are an order of magnitude or two lower, the observed correlation is still... 3-5 IQ points per standard deviation of exposure. Blood levels of other environmental toxins have also been correlated with IQ. These studies typically come in around... wait for it... 3-5 IQ points per standard deviation of exposure.

The common-sense explanation, in my opinion, is that developmentally delayed children eat more dust and dirt.

The implication is not that low IQ causes lead exposure, but that low IQ and lead exposure are both caused by a third factor, presumably poverty.
Poverty is easy to control for. Controlling for it brings the Pb-IQ effect size down considerably, but not down to zero.

My view is that poverty, low IQ, and lead exposure are all caused by intractably complex webs of genes, behaviors, beliefs, and parenting styles. This occurs in such a way that high IQ, high socioeconomic status, and low lead exposure are all strongly correlated, but not perfectly correlated.

As a spherical-cow sort of model, imagine that there's a "I don't give a fuck" (IDGAF) gene. People with the IDGAF gene have higher levels of lead exposure (because their houses aren't as clean), lower IQs (because they're not as motivated to think hard about the IQ test problems), and lower socioeconomic status (because they're not as motivated to get high-paying jobs) relative to those without the gene. But some IDGAF-positive people will get lucky and end up with high-paying jobs. Some IDGAF-negative people will be impoverished due to bad luck, etc. In other words, socioeconomic status is a noisy indicator of IDGAF. The key point is that IDGAF-positive people who have good jobs still probably don't keep their houses as clean as IDGAF-negative people. So when you control for poverty, you've killed off most of the IDGAF-mediated correlation between lead and IQ, but not all of it.

(as a reminder, this was just a spherical-cow model for illustrative purposes... reality is intractably more complex!)