[georgeplusplus]

>>> Not sure about FAA rules, but I assume they are somewhat similar. So at the very least, those individuals, at Boeing and Spirit Aerospace, should be a tad worried now.

It’s funny to see comments like. You think this isn’t just a dog and pony show? They don’t give a damn. They will sleep just fine. Nothing will happen because the government is in bed with these folks and they don’t implicate their own and the sooner you understand that the less it shocks you when nothing happens.

[ethanbond]

Comments like this just propagate a public opinion of indifference which really does make it harder for the government to hold people responsible. There obviously have been numerous cases of the govt stepping in effectively on such malfeasance and the smart thing to do is to demand that this becomes one of those cases. Not “I’m so smart I see through the bullshit so I expect (and therefore am encouraging) nothing to happen.”

[Zigurd]

Comments like that one and "blame DEI" "blame unions" "blame inflation" "blame FAA" etc. are a weird conversation killing pattern.

[hef19898]

Not sure I can actually agree with that, at least in such broad strokes.

And no, I know that it is not just a dog and pony show. "It" is the reason air travel is as safe as it is today, and that is way saver than 20 or 30 years ago, despite whatever Boeing did with the 737 MAX.

[boppo1]

>way saver than 20 or 30 years ago

Is it?

[hef19898]

Yes, it is. And 20-30 years ago it was saver than, say, 50 years ago. Like in medcine, people don't always see those incrementle improvements over time.

[chx]

I would've agreed with you five or so years ago but https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/305868 is more than an accident, you begin to wonder what's going on. There are staff shortages everywhere, why not with pilots? Are they as rested and trained as they ought to be? Together with the plane safety issues surfacing like an army of skeletons falling out of an infinite closet, I am not so sure we are on the same track as we were before.

[hef19898]

Yes, the tendency is not great. Besides the Boeing issues, there is a tendency in pilot training and flight operations I don't like, e.g. more flight hours, tough shift planning, training to be paid for the junior pilots. That being said, I'm on the production / design / maintenance side of things, and not operations, so my opinion on that is just that, an opinion.

[michaelje]

Not sure medicine is the best example given the same profit seeking culture is driving decisions where care takes a back seat

[chmod775]

>Nothing will happen because the government is in bed with these folks and they don’t implicate their own

Even if they're bed with each other, the people in government are sitting at an infinitely longer lever. They'll throw the Boeing folks under the bus as soon as it is politically expedient and replace them with a different set of cronies.