[andybak]

> Another possible alternative is being a market socialist

OK. I hadn't considered that option. I guess I'm interested to understand the middle ground between "centralized state ownership" and "no state but somehow it doesn't turn into hellscape of warlords and bandits".

Does this model generally allow private property but exclude "the means of production" etc?

[TulliusCicero]

Socialists usually try to distinguish between "personal property" (things for your own household/lifestyle) and "private property" (the means of production, or sometimes extravagant wealth in general).