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by smoldesu 838 days ago
> If there were only first party content on the phone today, there would still be a browser.

And nothing to browse on. Not sure anyone would want an iPhone like that.

> I don’t see how Apple is a monopoly with less than 30% of market share in the EU, so this comparison is not apt.

It's been said hundreds of times on this site, but I'll repeat it for posterity. You do not need total control over a market to be charged with monopoly abuse: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wabash,_St._Louis_%26_Pacific_...

> I don’t see what’s wrong here.

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> They also consciously make it a closed platform

Are you starting to see what's wrong here? Apple is the regulator of their own internal market, and they haven't made their closed platform a competitive ecosystem. They are directly responsible for ensuring that third-parties are offered fair terms to compete on, and they do not: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/api/image/conten...

> and to me it doesn’t seem like only one side is doing all the work without getting something from the other side in return.

"All the work" in this case, meaning creating an anticompetitive platform where they gimp their competitors? Again, looping back around to Ma Bell - you cannot excuse an exploitative system with it's benefits. Apple must first remediate the issues with their internal market if they intend to keep shipping iPhones in Europe. I don't see what's wrong here.

> the sides who are fighting here are both greedy companies

Which stage of grief is bartering, again?

You don't need to desperately appeal to us by comparing Epic and Apple. We know they're both greedy opportunists, but this time Epic is right. Apple is operating on a double-standard that will tear their company apart if they fight it.

> also it’s not like Apple is obligated to do charity work for free.

Here's an incomplete list of times Apple did charity work to support the whims of another market regulator:

https://www.theverge.com/2021/4/1/22361762/iphone-russia-sta...

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/12/apple-admits-to-...

https://support.apple.com/en-us/111754

https://www.reuters.com/world/india/indias-govt-demanded-app...

https://www.reuters.com/legal/brazil-court-fines-apple-order...

https://www.reuters.com/technology/apple-pay-c144-mln-settle...

I smell crocodile tears, Tim Cook.

1 comments

lol Tim Cook yeah. I mean thanks for the links and the discussion, but I'm trying to argue respectfully without name calling. I have things to say but I don't think it's going in a productive direction when you are assuming that I'm somewhat grieving or have a skin in this at all. Anyway, thanks for the respectful parts of your message, not so much for the others. Have a good day.
Trust me, if I knew you were Tim Cook I would have said a lot uglier words to you.