[Cookingboy]

Your entire argument is based off the propagandized idea that "China is our mortal enemy".

Should we cut off all tourism/business travel between China and the Wests? Cease all commercial activities? Declare war? Wait we should ask China to close the 9000 Starbucks in their country first.

Your opinion, while fairly popular amongst propagandized Americans, is not supported by hard facts..

And your argument of "all Chinese nationals could be spies means all Chinese nationals are working as spies" is absolutely illogical.

[tristor]

I don't think China is our mortal enemy or that we should formally declare war. Nowhere in my comments do I make any of the spurious statements you're trying to attribute to me. However, it is clear that China /is/ our enemy, "mortal" though they may not be (currently). China exists for China, and I personally hold no animus towards China for that, but I am also not so much of a fool that I would willingly employ and inform my enemy of my secrets, regardless of whether I hold no ill will for their rational self-interest as a state.

It is possible, and logically consistent, to both recognize someone is your enemy and to have respect for their position and no ill regard for their existence. It is possible, and logically consistent, to have respect for someone's position and yet identify the foolishness of providing them employment, succor, or otherwise helping them to achieve their aims, aims that are to your own detriment. Just as China is primarily acting out of rational self-interest, so too should the West. The West is far too willing to cut off its own toes just to signal some virtue which has no bearing or relation to reality. Reality always wins, and I'm merely recognizing reality.

And what is peace, if not being willing to agree to disagree? I disagree with China's aims, but agree that their aims are beneficial to China. I am not obligated to assist them in their aims, nor does refusing to do so obligate me to go to war with them. Nor does it obligate anyone else in the West to assist them or to battle them, we can merely refuse to help those who are openly our enemies and let them go their own way.

[ClumsyPilot]

> it is clear that China /is/ our enemy. I personally hold no animus towards China...inform my enemy...recognize someone is your enemy...

Firstly, if you are so obsessed with finding enemies everywhere, then you do hold animus.

Second, you are cutting off your nose to spite your face. The US missed out on 5G technology because a foreign researcher wasn't granted a green card and sold his research to Chinese companies instead. Way to go, undermining the very foundation of your success.

I think you need to realise that, outside of the west, for example in India, US is not trusted a whole lot more than China is. The allegations of threat to national security against Huawei seem suspiciously well timed, they appeared just as Huawei came out with 5G tech. To many nations this looks like economic warfare, and resorting to sanctions simply to secure markets.

You need to accept the fact that China is here to stay, and third nations are going to enjoy playing China and US off against each other, and see who can offer them better deal.