[chairhairair]

That first paragraph is hilarious and consistent with my experience.

It’s pretty baffling how bad Xcode is. Although at this point I’m not sure to what extent Swift is to blame.

Everything seems to work much better when Swift is abandoned and I just use UIKit.

(And it’s a personal blessing when I get to use Flutter and bypass 90% of the insanity that is modern native iOS and Android dev)

[jwells89]

It makes sense that UIKit is more solid, because not only does it have 17 years of its own history, but builds upon the legacy of AppKit which stretches back another 20 years. By comparison SwiftUI is still quite young.

Haven’t touched Flutter because Material Design feels weird on iOS, its Cupertino theme isn’t great, and I’m not the type to reinvent the wheel on UI design in the apps I work on. Also don’t really feel like picking up a language, toolchain, and ecosystem for a single UI framework.

[mpweiher]

NeXTstep/AppKit was more solid in 1991.

[andrekandre]

whats your opinion on modern appkit vs back then?

i may be crazy but even now i sometimes feel like appkit today is still more solid and less buggy than even uikit...