[yowzadave]

The thing that bothers me about game interactions is that they are designed to provide quick and easy positive feedback loops, unlike most real-world skills. E.g., learning the piano requires a lot of difficult persistence with uncertain feedback along the way--it's an entirely different experience than playing a video game, and I worry that conditioning our brains with games makes it harder for us to develop the patience and resilience that are required to develop those kinds of skills.

[nostrademons]

Oftentimes the way to learn complex real-life skills is to break them up into smaller interactions that you can gamify to get that immediate dopamine high of a successful intermediate result. This is a large portion of my job as an engineering manager - breaking up complex strategic goals into an MVP launch + follow-ons, ensuring that projects are scaled appropriately to the skill level of the people doing them, and rewarding folks with bonuses and promotions for successful milestones on the path to that strategic objective.

[sdwr]

I just read an interview with an esports pro transitioning to a normal job, he said the exact same thing. That the game environment is very "coddled" - you are always on a track, getting pulled towards the next milestone. Real life is more open-ended and less instantly gratifying.

[Fire-Dragon-DoL]

Multiplayer games are extremely different from single player games though. Multiplayer games are on purpose made to keep you hooked, to keep your spending up.

Single player games have one off purchases (unless you are playing trash games), so the requirement is to just have an enjoyable experience.

For some weird reason we couple all of this under "screen time" and "videogames" encompasses both multiplayer and singleplayer, which is heavily different.

[azemetre]

Do you happen to have the article? Sounds interesting. I was very invested in the sc2 esports scene in 2010 during college.

[sdwr]

Yeah, sorry for the late reply.

It was this article with ptitdrogo

https://www.christian-staedter.com/guest-newsletter-theo-pti...

[azemetre]

Thanks! This person was literally right when I stopped watching (shortly before legacy of the void was released).

I'm kinda curious what happened to the earlier pros, like Idra, Huk, etc. I suppose time to do some detective work. :D

[8note]

People without that patience and resilience aren't gonna learn the piano anyways. People with that patience will put it into their video games to learn speed runs or be competitive