[LawrenceKerr]

So would you posit an LLM which self-updates (retrains) its internal model after every prompt-response (perhaps at night, when it dreams of electric sheep) is conscious because it shows some recursive self-reflection & decision making? (And/or add in active inference as described by Karl Friston, whereby it tries to predict outcomes and self-correct its model)

If you knew the LLM does this after every prompt, is that a sufficient condition for possibly concluding that it's conscious? And if this recursion is not enough, what is? What's the missing piece?

>Consciousness doesn't matter. My phone is conscious when its battery is low.

Those are interesting claims...

[otabdeveloper4]

Like I said, "consciousness" is a red herring and doesn't even really exist.

What we care about is whether information complexity is increased. LLMs don't (and can't) do that by the very nature of their mathematics.

[LawrenceKerr]

What do you mean it's a red herring and doesn't exist?

It's quite literally the only "thing" we can be sure exists, because without consciousness, we wouldn't experience anything at all.

I agree we care mainly about increasing information complexity in AI systems, but we can't discount the possiblity of consciousness being generated non-biologically in the process. I think we just need a better model of what that means exactly.

[jzombie]

> ...by the very nature of their mathematics

What are their mathematics? Please enlighten me.

[otabdeveloper4]

Their mathematics is a statistical model which outputs the statistically most likely result, in effect leaving only the most significant independent variables. Which decreases information complexity, by definition of "information complexity".

[jzombie]

So, if I write in, "yes, no" it will output, "maybe?" or will it just do a Google search, or will it just output either "yes" or "no?"

And more importantly, will it give the same response every single time?

[mab122]

> If you knew the LLM does this after every prompt, is that a sufficient condition for possibly concluding that it's conscious?

Yes.

(For me.)