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> Exert more imaginary pressure in the hope that they run scared and fold.

Uh, if you ignore a legally issued subpoena you end up with an arrest warrant and are usually quite promptly arrested. If that subpoena obliges you to hand over equipment and records those records and equipment are forcibly seized in the process.

Sorry but 'the law has no teeth' isn't how things work. Subpoenas are, in fact, enforced. Routinely. That's what enables the justice system to work.

I'm also pretty sure they want this 'person S' quite badly indeed and considering they want all their socials since Jan 1 2016 I'd imagine piracy is just the start of what they're looking for.

[defrost]

Reddit, reportedly, did not comply with three subpoena's in a row:

    Reddit wasn’t willing to go along with the request, at least not in full. The company objected, arguing that handing over the requested information would violate its users’ right to anonymous speech. Reddit later responded similarly to a second and third subpoena request.

It helps to have lawyers object to subpoenas.

As for Mr S. he can be compelled to respond to the subpoena for:

    1. All written communications with RCN concerning piracy from Oct. 1, 2017 to the present.

etc. by truthfully (?) stating that he no longer has these records.

> I'm also pretty sure they want this 'person S' quite badly indeed

To leverage them, quite possibly for immunity should they be able to make anything stick aside from an elaborate online fantasy life cosplaying as a pirate .. or not .. maybe. Absolutely.

I'd still argue that the main target here is bigger fish with deeper pockets - scare an ISP out of being casual wrt pirating, send a message to more ISP's, etc.

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> I'd still argue that the main target here is bigger fish with deeper pockets

Based on what's been requested I'd say that this has almost nothing to do with RCN and is in fact almost entirely about this Mr. S, based on that person's social media account usage history being requested.

That, to me, suggests they know that this person isn't merely doing 'a bit of torrenting' but is perhaps part of (or even, orchestrating) some organised piracy scheme. Or more.

But I'm just speculating.

[defrost]

> That, to me, suggests they know that this person isn't merely doing 'a bit of torrenting' but is perhaps part of (or even, orchestrating) some organised piracy scheme. Or more.

This seems unlikely given they have an IP address and an ISP provider.

It's hard imagine that anyone involved in organised piracy schemes is actually using a raw ISP address rather than a logless VPN that laughs at warrents and subpoenas.

It's hard imagine that anyone involved in organised piracy schemes is actually using Piratebay with a "leads right back to them" address that shows up on https://iknowwhatyoudownload.com/en/peer/ and other such tools that scrape public trackers.

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Okay then; go ahead and speculate.

Why do you think they've requested this person's - almost - complete history of social media account usage since Jan 1 2016?

[defrost]

They're looking for any and all publicly declared interactions between this person and their ISP that indicate their ISP had knowledge of them using public trackers, warned them against using public tracking torrents, and did nothing when they continued to use them.

ie. Evidenced of ISP knowledge and lack of follow through.

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Could be, I guess.

Still intriguing

[theshackleford]

> Uh, if you ignore a legally issued subpoena you end up with an arrest warrant and are usually quite promptly arrested. If that subpoena obliges you to hand over equipment and records those records and equipment are forcibly seized in the process.

Maybe once you've read the article, you can run over to Reddit and tell them that.

"While Reddit declined to comply with recent subpoenas for subscriber information"

"Reddit wasn’t willing to go along with the request, at least not in full. The company objected, arguing that handing over the requested information would violate its users’ right to anonymous speech. Reddit later responded similarly to a second and third subpoena request."

[hooverd]

Heh, we've went from "they were no angel" to "surely it will be proven they were no angel".

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I think there's more going on here than merely a piracy investigation, it just has that smell to it.

But now that I see that RCN was acquired Nov 2020 (a pandemic acquisition) I'm back to agreeing that it's about RCN, not this Mr. S.