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by lb4r 845 days ago
>he's just pointing out there's no universal agreement on what intelligence even is.

Which is why I find it strange that he takes it upon himself to proclaim in a definitive manner that LLMs are not intelligent, and not "by any stretch."
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calibas 845 days ago
Why would you find that strange? He's using his own definition of intelligence while acknowledging there's no universal agreement.

Expressing your own point of view while acknowledging that other points of view exist shouldn't be strange. Strange is not being able to see things from different perspectives, those people are abnormal even when they happen to be in the majority.

The only valid criticism I see is that "by any stretch" is hyperbolic, but that's easily forgivable.

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YetAnotherNick 845 days ago
> As much as people want to believe, LLMs are not intelligent by any stretch

They said "As much as people want to believe" which means that it shouldn't be counted as intelligent by other people's definition. Even by most liberal interpretation, the comment(which is top rated) doesn't say what you are trying to imply

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calibas 845 days ago
I'm not trying to imply something, you're ignoring what's explicitly stated:

"There is no concrete definition so there is no concrete way of deciding if something is intelligent."

The fact that it contradicts previous statements makes me believe there's some hyperbole going on.

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lb4r 845 days ago
Except that he doesn't acknowledge other points of view:

>As much as people want to believe, LLMs are not intelligent by any stretch.

Acknowledging other points of view would have sounded more like "People are free to believe what they want, but LLMs don't strike me as intelligent."

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calibas 845 days ago
>Except that he doesn't acknowledge other points of view

False, he explicitly acknowledges other points of view on what defines intelligence:

"There is no concrete definition so there is no concrete way of deciding if something is intelligent."

Acknowledging that your way of thinking isn't the only way of thinking doesn't make someone a hypocrite, it's actually a sign of intelligence (in my opinion).

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