[aqme28]

I did my masters in Tokamak simulation so maybe I'm biased (though I am a bit of a stellarator fanboy).

But I've never heard of SAFIRE. I've been on their website, and I can't find anything explaining what SAFIRE is and especially nothing about why it's so much better than a Tokamak. I can't find anything peer-reviewed.

All their marketing materials are leaving a very bad (e.g. pseudoscience) taste in my mouth

[devaiops9001]

Here is an explanation that includes raw video footage of a Safire type 2 chamber. https://vid.puffyan.us/watch?v=ZBInhPFFVog

Here is what was shared, including some raw video footage, of what happened when a small tungsten rod was exposed to plasma in a Safire type 2 chamber. https://vid.puffyan.us/watch?v=7y46wMAHnsI

[aqme28]

I'm a technical audience. I'd love to see a technical explanation of what their device is. This video is just "an anode" and "electrical power," which basically just sounds like a Farnsworth Fusor. Those are neat toys but not useful for a sustained fusion reaction.

[devaiops9001]

I have seen some examples of Farnsworth Fusor on the web but they are admittedly (stated by those posting the videos) amateur. Can you show me strong examples of something that could be called "industrial class" that is in the category of Farnsworh Fusor?

As far as I am presently aware, a Farnsworth Fusor has not produced multiple plasma layers.

>> but not useful for a sustained fusion reaction.

The plasma in Safire meets the definition of "sustained fusion reaction", but whether this particular sustained fusion reaction is useful or not is a legitimate bigger question.

[devaiops9001]

A Farnsworth Fusor does not create multiple plasma layers each separated by self-containing magnetic fields. This would be the key difference with Safire.

[aqme28]

If neither you nor they can tell me with any technical detail what they are doing differently from a fusor in terms of construction or operation, then I conclude it's just a fusor. Is it multiple anodes? Is there some magnetic field being introduced?

[devaiops9001]

Since yesterday I have put some meaningful effort into looking into what a Farnsworth Fusor is. At this point, I can confidently say that what is in the Safire type 2 plasma chamber is significantly different.

Perhaps I am biased because, most of my experience with plasma chambers has been involved in physical presence in laboratory settings.

>> I did my masters in Tokamak simulation

I think "simulation" is the key difference between what you did and those who are doing real laboratory work. Tesla lamented that too much in theoretical mathematics was being done in place of lab work.

I am honestly very disappointed that the essential characteristics between a Safire type 2 chamber and a Farnsworth Fusor are so clear to me, yet someone who has a "masters" (implies master degree) seems to struggle to spot the differences quickly.

The guys from the LLNL team were keen on immediately recognizing the differences, so no need to lose faith in humanity or anything here, but still, do they just give out masters degrees like candy now..

[aqme28]

> Tesla lamented that too much in theoretical mathematics was being done in place of lab work.

This just shows that you have no idea what you're talking about. Not only does Tesla predate the whole field of computational physics, but computational physics is distinct from both theoretical mathematics and lab work.

And I asked a simple question-- how is a SAFIRE constructed or operated? Still no answer!

[daveguy]

> raw video footage, of what happened when a small tungsten rod was exposed to plasma

Just FYI. You're not effectively refuting the pseudoscience claim with this.

[devaiops9001]

So you don't dispute that the Safire type 2 plasma chamber has a sustained plasma fusion reaction that causes the tungsten rod to rapidly decay, got it.

Here's a hint if you need it spelled out for you: nobody gives a shit if you think this is "science" or "pseudoscience".

[lostmsu]

Nah, this forum does and you're going to be severely punted for propagating it.

[devaiops9001]

The Safire plasma team presented their findings. They did an experiment involving plasma, they found that a tungsten rod evaporated in front of their eyes. This is the most literal embodiment of the scientific method there possibly could be.

The Safire plasma team doesn't even announce "weRe doinG ScIeNCe", all they are doing is presenting "here's what we did, here's what we found".

If you believe what they did "isn't science", then what you believe is not "they didn't follow the scientific method", what you believe is they did not do Science™ which amounts to orthodoxy ie religion.

As far as I have seen from the Safire plasma team, they run experiments and share their findings, then make hypothesis and run more experiments and share more findings. I have watched them do this consistently over several years.

If you want to argue that they aren't doing the "scientific method" when you aren't even familiar with their years of work, you are very stupid and may God have mercy on your soul.

[daveguy]

Bullshit video is bullshit video. But you do you.

[devaiops9001]

You are unable to refute the sustained plasma fusion reaction. You are unable to refute the rapid decay of the tungsten rod. You don't even comprehend what it is you think you are trying to argue against. I am astonished that someone could be so pathetic.

>> itS buLlSHiT

amounts to autistic reee'ing

[daveguy]

Aren't you a peach. Not surprised at all. Sorry you got duped by a scam. I know it must hurt your ego when it's called out.

At least I understand the concept of scientific proof. And "thEre'S A viDeO oN teH iNteRweBs!" doesn't cut it.

Have a nice life.