[laylower]

Amen to that. Can I add the following:

- 5 different ways to do wide to long and long to wide over the years even in the tidyverse. - A lot of dependencies to connect to DBs and difficult programs. Rstudio/Posit does have some premium libraries but they should be made free and bundled with the tidyverse to really promote the ecosystem. - Shiny support to save interactive charts and tables. This is a massive problem for me. If I have a heavily stylized HTML table with a bunch of css, I need to rely on webshot, webshot2 which are both alpha or beta versions and they are poorly documented. How can I evangelize R if my deployments cannot be used properly by my community?

[hadley]

What are the premium packages you're talking about? As far as I know all of our R packages are 100% open source.

I'd love to hear more why you're using webshot etc to talk screenshots of your shiny app. A more typical workflow would be to generate a separate HTML/PDF with quarto/RMarkdown.

[laylower]

Thanks for responding and your amazing work with the tidyverse. I am the "R-guy" in my finservices company and we have a paid rconnect dev/qa/prod and rserver pro licences for a few hundred users.

The packages I think are the dependencies of some DB connectivity libraries. https://www.rstudio.com/tags/databases/ - these are the ones I was referring to.

Re webshot my use case is: I have a heavily modified DT table in a shiny app. Users log in, play around with the DT table, update ggplots etc and then download the snapshot and send it to a WORD file. I can't move away from word and use html or pdf because we need the word file formatted by editors for publication and they need to follow the corpo guidelines. So, I am having to use webshot to grab a screenshot of the tagged html instead of natively handling it. I tried using officedown and a few other methods and it just didn't work.

ps: I hope the rebrand goes great and I am rooting for you.

[hadley]

Oh, you mean the pro drivers? Unfortunately we can't give those away because we have to pay several $100k a year just to get access for our customers. Most of the pro drivers do have equivalent open source versions that you should be able to use instead.

Hmmm, I'd still try generating the table with quarto (since you can output word documents), or try gt (https://gt.rstudio.com), which I know has much greater control over output, and supports RTF output (https://gt.rstudio.com/reference/as_rtf.html) which should import cleanly into word.

[hello2hello]

PDF in knitr is tied to TeX. Webshot and other capture is better because CSS styles work without translation to TeX.