[anneessens]

Well it's not a hyperbole, my productivity would suffer immensely if I had to use GNOME. And since GNOME doesn't offer much customisation, I couldn't make it work better for me, which is why I use Plasma. That doesn't mean I hate GNOME or something and I'm glad it exists for the people who do like its approach.

[criddell]

In what ways does Gnome hamper your productivity? Are you really using the DE a lot?

Most of my day is spent in applications. I launch an application and that's where I'm spending my time. I'm not using the desktop environment all that much. I really don't find much difference working in Windows, macOS, KDE or Gnome or even iPadOS as far as interacting with the graphical environment goes.

[anneessens]

Yes, absolutely. Perhaps not directly with the DE itself, but the DE affects how I work.

On Plasma, I have it set up so I have all title bars hidden and I use custom keybinds to close, minimize and maximize windows, which saves screen space and reduces clutter. On GNOME you cannot minimize windows at all if I remember correctly.

I have virtual desktops disabled and only use one desktop to manage all of my windows, while GNOME fundamentally works around using multiple virtual desktops as far as I know.

GNOME doesn't have a system tray, which I find essential. For example, I can see just by looking if Discord has an unread notification. Or I can close OBS to the system tray without quiting the application, which reduces visual clutter. I know you can add this with an extension, but I'm just referring to vanilla GNOME.

I often use KRunner to temporarily write something while still seeing the contents of my screen, while GNOME's equivalent is full screen I believe.

I'm sure there are many other ways, but these are the ones I can quickly think of.

[ColonelPhantom]

> On GNOME you cannot minimize windows at all if I remember correctly.

This is incorrect. You can minimize windows on Gnome, but the button to do it is hidden by default. It can be re-enabled in Gnome Tweaks, and there is also a keyboard shortcut (Super+H) for minimizing.

Gnome is however indeed fairly workspace-centric.

As for customization, out of the box Gnome is quite rigid, but its extension ecosystem far surpasses that of KDE. You can use extensions on Gnome to for example get a dock or system tray back.

[int_19h]

> You can use extensions on Gnome to for example get a dock or system tray back.

As I recall, those are exactly the kinds of extensions that get broken by Gnome updates on a regular basis.

[anneessens]

Oh, I didn't know that shortcut for minimizing. Is there a reason the button is hidden by default?

I never really understood how to efficiently use virtual desktops or what their benefits are compared to one desktop. Would you mind to explain?

Well, I would imagine that is because you generally only need extensions on KDE for niche things, while GNOME needs extensions for more 'basic' things. Obviously you don't need an extension for a system tray if one already exists by default.

[toyg]

> Is there a reason the button is hidden by default?

Because GNOME developers mindlessly pursue "minimalism" with religious zealotry, finding an outlet for their frustration of not being good enough to work for the Church of Apple.

[criddell]

I think I see one difference - I'm not trying to use each environment the same. My iPad wants everything to be full screen, so that's how I use it (although I have been playing with Stage Manager). Windows has good support for tiling now, so I use that. On Gnome I lean into the workspace stuff. KDE I don't know as well, so I use the mouse for just about everything.

I enjoy learning the ins and outs of the different environments and frankly I wish the differences ran even deeper. I often think about how fun it would be if Commodore Amiga, Atari ST, BeOS, SGI IRIX, OS/2, Sun CDE, and all the other systems were still being developed. But then the Electron / web app people would probably still try to pave over everything cool and unique on each system to run one mediocre app everywhere.

[anneessens]

I understand that GNOME has a clear way how it wants you to use the desktop, but I don't like that way for the reasons I described. And it's not just a 'different' way, I feel like I lose functionality and flexibility in a lot of regards. Although, I guess it's hard to say for sure since I never used GNOME for an extended period of time.

[criddell]

That's the beauty of different systems. You always lose functionality no matter which way you switch. A Windows user might miss PowerShell + COM on Linux. A Linux user would miss having access to the filesystem on iOS. An iOS user misses the ubiquitous URL scheme for sharing code and data when they switch to Windows or Linux. I still miss Rexx and the object-oriented workplace shell of OS/2.

I'm sure if you gave GNOME an extended trial, you would adapt and find some things you actually prefer.

[jklinger410]

It is hyperbole, because you could use it. You would have to be incompetent to not be able to use it.

Having lower productivity does not mean something is "unusable." It is, in fact, still usable. You just don't like it.

Maybe learn what unusable and hyperbole mean.

[anneessens]

It's unusable enough for me that I would rather switch back to Windows than keep using GNOME. And I really don't like Windows.

What does this discussion gain from you being pedantic? Everyone with common sense knew what I meant.

[jklinger410]

Because

> This type of hyperbole is what feeds the DE wars.

You not liking something is not the same as it not being "usable." You simply don't like it as much.

Your comment would be a lot less interesting if it were written without hyperbole. It would simply be "I don't like GNOME as much as KDE." And no one would really care about that, it wouldn't be a notable comment.

[anneessens]

You're the only one who takes this 'war' seriously. The rest of us here are adults who can appreciate all desktop environments, even if we don't personally like to use them.

Go annoy someone else.

[jklinger410]

My entire point is that both desktops can be appreciated for what they are. I can use KDE or GNOME, I just prefer GNOME. I would never call KDE unusable, because it works just fine for those who like it.

People who go around saying they "can't use GNOME" because it's "not customizable" without ever even trying would be the ones that are not appreciating all desktops, like an adult.

[anneessens]

No one here said that GNOME shouldn't be appreciated. Just because I said GNOME is unusable for me personally doesn't mean I can't appreciate it.

I have tried GNOME before, thanks for your assumption, so I know for a fact it's less customisable than Plasma. But less customisation doesn't equal less value anyways, so I don't even know what your point is.