Hacker News new | ask | show | jobs
by toomuchtodo 839 days ago
You are attributing to federal fiscal policy what was caused by supply chain dysfunction, housing inventory shortages, and corporate profits.

https://www.frbsf.org/research-and-insights/publications/eco...

> Global supply chain disruptions following the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic contributed to the rapid rise in U.S. inflation over the past two years. Evidence suggests that supply chain pressures pushed up the cost of inputs for goods production and the public’s expectations of higher future prices. These factors accounted for about 60% of the surge in U.S. inflation beginning in early 2021. Supply chain pressures began easing substantially in mid-2022, contributing to the slowdown in inflation.

https://www.fanniemae.com/research-and-insights/perspectives...

> The causes of the housing supply crisis are widely understood. After the Great Recession, new home construction dropped like a stone. Fewer new homes were built in the 10 years ended 2018 than in any decade since the 1960s. By 2019, a good estimate of the shortage of housing units for sale or rent was 3.8 million. The pandemic-induced materials and labor shortage exacerbated the trend, however, as evidenced by the surge in rents and home prices in 2021.

https://www.kansascityfed.org/research/economic-bulletin/cor...

> Corporate profits rose quickly in 2021 along with inflation, raising concerns about corporations driving up prices to increase profits. Although corporate profits indeed contributed to inflation in 2021, their contribution fell in 2022. This pattern is not unusual: in previous economic recoveries, corporate profits were the main contributor to inflation in the first year and displaced by costs in the second year.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/08/excess-profits-of-big-firms-...

> “We argue that market power by some corporations and in some sectors – including temporary market power emerging in the aftermath of the pandemic – amplified inflation,” the report said.

> The author’s analysis of financial reports from 1,350 companies listed in the U.K., U.S., Germany, Brazil and South Africa found nominal profits were on average 30% higher at the end of 2022 than at the end of 2019.

2 comments

>You are attributing to federal fiscal policy what was caused by supply chain dysfunction, housing inventory shortages, and corporate profits.

Would you be shocked to learn the inflation had a number of causes, including the vast COVID stimulus? I mean, your quote above attributes 60%, and that supply chain issues resolving "contributed" to inflation easing.

I'm for UBI if we can figure out how to implement it. We've experimented with it here in Canada. But handing people money has inflationary consequences, it's not rocket science. Otherwise, generic extreme argument: give everyone a billion and we all win.

Not shocked if its true, asking you to validate the assertion with data. I brought citations, I will wait for yours.

> Otherwise, generic extreme argument: give everyone a billion and we all win.

No reasonable person takes this argument seriously. The discussion is "will providing for everyone's basic needs through UBI cause inflation?"

>asking you to validate the assertion with data. I brought citations, I will wait for yours.

Try any economics textbook, and common sense. I couldn't care less what you believe. This stuff has been written about for 100 years, currency is susceptible to the laws of supply and demand like any other commodity; over supply affects prices.

>No reasonable person takes this argument seriously.

Oh, really? What's the right amount we should give to people then? Please bring data.

You sound like the MMT folks, who endlessly told us printing money didn't matter. Until it did. Then "real MMT has never been tried!"

The whole "corporate profiteering drove inflation" narrative is/was entirely driven by click farming economically distressed people. It never was the case and even mild understanding of economics/finance quickly unravels the narrative.

Inflation was driven primarily by low interest rates, very generous financial support/relief(rent moratorium, student loan pause, bolstered and extended unemployment), and the ability for most white collar workers to keep on working from home.

Supply chain issues didn't help, but it's not even clear if 2019 supply chains would have been able to keep up with the insane consumer demand of 2021.

> The whole "corporate profiteering drove inflation" narrative is/was entirely driven by click farming economically distressed people. It never was the case and even mild understanding of economics/finance quickly unravels the narrative.

My citation is the Kansas City Fed in case you missed it.

If you read their research you will see that the reason corporations raised prices was because of future anticipation of costs rising - inflation.

https://www.kansascityfed.org/research/economic-review/how-m...

I have read it. Have they lowered prices? Or have they held them high because they can?

https://www.ippr.org/media-office/revealed-how-powerful-comp...

https://www.axios.com/2023/05/18/once-a-fringe-theory-greedf... ("In March, the chief economist at UBS Global Wealth Management, Paul Donovan, published a note on "profit margin-led inflation," describing how in late 2022 and into this year, companies — particularly retailers and consumer goods makers — convinced consumers that they needed to raise prices. (They didn't really.)"

https://www.interest.co.nz/business/122533/paul-donovan-what... ("Paul Donovan on what profit-led inflation is, how it happens and how to combat it")

https://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/speech/brainard202.... ("Retail markups in a number of sectors have seen material increases in what could be described as a price–price spiral, whereby final prices have risen by more than the increases in input prices."

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/13/business/pepsico-earnings... | https://archive.today/RgxsB ("Price Increases Lead to Big Jump in Profit at PepsiCo")

Why would they lower prices if the market easily bore the cost of those goods?

Yeah of course corporations were racking in cash, so were consumers.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/WFRBLN40059

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M2REAL

So you admit that inflation is caused by corporations that can raise prices and keep them high? Because, in this thread, you've gone from "this narrative is/was entirely driven by click farming economically distressed people" to "of course they did this, they clearly can" as we've worked our way down to here from my top level comment.