[BoorishBears]

I ran into something like this for an AI story generation site I run and despite not being easily horrified and generally bracing myself for misuse... I was horrified.

In theory I'm in the "it's not real people" camp, but when you see users intentionally generating CSAM, even if it's all made up text, it's impossible to not feel like leaving them to their devices would be tantamount to enabling a pedophile.

And I imagine it feels 100x worse the moment images get involved.

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And an aside, but as a result of my experience running that site I personally look sideways at anyone I see being obsessive about local LLMs for roleplay. It seems like the people who would rail the most about privacy on the site (drilling me about the ToS, what can I see, etc.) were the people most likely to be doing this stuff.

"If you have nothing to hide" is again, not a mentality I generally buy into, but it really played out here, and I think the people most obsessed with secrecy for their "adult use" of generative AI are currently a group of people you don't want to cater to if you can avoid it.

[prirun]

I don't know the answer to this question, but isn't it possibly better (less dangerous to society) for a pedophile to have a computer screen that generates pictures to satisfy his cravings, regardless of how disturbing they may be to others, rather than trying to satisfy them in the real world with real people?

I guess one could argue that having access to digital images could increase a pedophile's cravings. I don't know if there are any factual studies or data to confirm or refute this. It's often bandied about that one reason young people aren't having as much sex is because porn is so easily accessible. If true, it seems that would apply to pedophiles as well.

[BoorishBears]

Academically there might be an argument to be had, but part of the problem is when you're running the service you don't feel removed enough to have this kind of academic analysis of the situation.

You see CSAM, you see that you enabled someone creating it and as a result you're now hosting it, and you react accordingly without any thought of the larger picture.

[deterministic]

People used to think that being exposed to violent VHS tapes, video games, or D&D would make all teenagers serial killers. That hasn’t happened obviously. Quite the opposite. Violent youth crime has gone down not up. So I bet that pedos using AI’s instead of real kids will keep more kids safe.

[justanotherjoe]

fwiw, for some people, it's the express intention to 'shock' themselves. Yes its shocking. Yes its the whole point. (Not necessarily about csam)

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Have you determined for sure that it's real users and not bots doing this?

[BoorishBears]

Behavior and volume a pretty clearly human, and there's no public posting so there's no "nuisance" reason to do it

[jstarfish]

> And an aside, but as a result of my experience running that site I personally look sideways at anyone I see being obsessive about local LLMs for roleplay. It seems like the people who would rail the most about privacy on the site (drilling me about the ToS, what can I see, etc.) were the people most likely to be doing this stuff.

You're not too wrong in my experience, but it has the same effect as storing your web browser history in a public s3 bucket. Even if you're cool with sharing yours, you're only ok with it because you haven't had your data "creatively interpreted" and your life ruined by the likes of whoever appoints themselves Cybercardinal Richielieu tomorrow. Mine would put me on every terrorist watchlist on the planet.

There are a lot of really sexually-frustrated males among us, in a culture that actively devalues men and doesn't offer them much of a righteous path to meaningful existence and companionship other than whining to their online therapist, jerking off to a banal AI Girlfriend Experience, and [coming soon] dying in some meaningless war to defend some other nation's fragile ego and exploitative interests.

"Go to college, get married, work/provide for family" is not a message supported by popular media anymore. You've seen the media people are turning to as a result of this breakdown. The demand for CSAM exploded once we stopped being encouraged to have families and PornHub normalized fucking them.

Jerking off to Claudia Schiffer or whoever was not "objectification," it was reinforcement of aspiration. FamilySexParty or whatever should not be aspirational.

With simulated parent-child/sibling sex getting top billing during a 10 year old boy's first visit to PornHub, are you really so surprised at the degeneracy that came across your site?

At this point they can't help it; those controlling the media have condemned an entire generation to terminal sexual frustration by conditioning them to crave this content. Therapy won't fix them.