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by TillE 844 days ago
Canoe (their SNES emulator) is definitely their own creation, it's very limited and can mostly only run the games they've released with it.

I think it has some similar bugs to ZSNES, but that's just because they're both crappy low-accuracy emulators.
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NobodyNada 844 days ago
Interestingly, their NES emulator uses the file format of the freeware INES emulator (which became the de facto standard format for all NES emulators, and of course for distributing ROMs online).

At the very least, this indicates that Nintendo definitely relied on resources and documentation from the NES emulation community. But it also raises questions as to why they used the INES format as opposed to some internal format of their own: was it just because they wanted to use a spec they found online instead of writing their own, or did they pirate their own games to test (or even ship)?

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ThatPlayer 844 days ago
> But it also raises questions as to why they used the INES format as opposed to some internal format of their own

The answer to that that I've seen is simply they hired a man who previously worked on INES: https://web.archive.org/web/20061228071701/http://www.n-side... . This man is then top credited in Animal Crossing for "NES Emulator Program".

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Mad_ad 844 days ago
iirc they used a open-source emu on their snes/nes mini
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chungy 844 days ago
Nintendo's NES/SNES emulators have always been their own in-house tools. The NES/SNES Classic consoles did run on Linux, and Nintendo published the operating system source code as required by the software licenses, appropriately. The emulators are not part of the source release, and very likely derived from the same ones used on Wii virtual console (possibly older, Animal Crossing had a NES emulator on the GameCube too).

There's a popular myth floating around that Nintendo downloaded Super Mario Bros. off the internet only to sell it back to players via the Wii virtual console, but I'm only comfortable with calling it a myth because it's based on the fact that the embedded iNES file in the VC release is identical to iNES files you can find online. There's only one standalone version of Super Mario Bros. on the NES, and you can trivially recreate an exact file on your very own if you have the cartridge and a ROM dumping utility. It's a pretty good possibility that Nintendo created their virtual ROM in exactly the same fashion. The iNES format itself is very simple, and Nintendo hired the iNES developer to work on their in-house software; he could have easily just brought that same format into their official projects. (EDIT: This last sentence appears to have been another myth I bought into, see the reply to this comment.)

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bc_programming 844 days ago
My understanding is that The "Nintendo hired the iNES Developer" story is actually it's own myth!

The person referenced who Nintendo hired is Kawase Tomohiro.

The basis for calling him "The iNES Developer" is that, in a changelog for 0.7 of iNES, Marat Fayzullin - the developer of iNES - wrote: "Sound support completely rewritten, thanks to Kawase Tomohiro"

That is the entirety of the association. That single line in a changelog. Based on similar "thanks" lines it was probably because they reported some emulation issues and not because they personally rewrote the sound support for the emulator, but resulted in Marat doing so. It's actually interesting how these stories seem to change over time. The last time I heard this, the story was that Nintendo had hired somebody who contributed to iNES, which was at least technically true if a bit misleading, but it seems that now the story is that they hired *the* iNES Developer. Which seems particularly silly when we consider the basis is that 8 word changelog line.

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chungy 844 days ago
Interesting, I always assumed Marat himself was hired. Thanks for the correction!
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pcchristie 843 days ago
Could be buying into the myth, but I read somewhere that there was header or metadata in one of the ROMs that basically betrayed that it had been downloaded from a popular ROM site. Is that not right?
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Kirby64 844 days ago
Maybe you're thinking of the 'Playstation Classic' ? That uses PCSX directly and got some flack for it.

See: https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018/11/sony-using-open-sourc...

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