[axefrog]

Oh come on. Microsoft is not some horrible uncle who did you a great wrong and needs "forgiving". It's a company. The people who work there come and go, change departments and so forth. Yeah, sure, the people who worked in the highest positions back in the day employed some shitty tactics way back when, but times have changed, many of those people have moved on and much of the company's outlook has shifted significantly.

Holding an emotional grudge against a transient, evolving collective is stupid. I don't think everything they put out is great, I would love to see Ballmer step down and give someone else a turn (someone with some actual passion perhaps), but IE6 was a product of the mindset at the time, and times have changed. Get over it.

[NameNickHN]

Optimizing websites for IE has cost webdesigners time and money. It has cost their clients money. It was a frustrating process whereby the designers got heat from their bosses and their clients. That is something most designers will probably remember forever.

It's not the bad software that lost Microsoft so much goodwill from the designers. Software can be fixed. It was the attitude from Microsoft towards the problem. It simply took them too much time to make things better. IE9 might be a good browser and most designers might acknowledge that. But ~10 years is way too long for a big corporation like Microsoft to make things right.

[masklinn]

> Oh come on. Microsoft is not some horrible uncle who did you a great wrong and needs "forgiving". It's a company.

> Holding an emotional grudge against a transient, evolving collective is stupid.

It might be stupid, but it's also human and it's precisely what has happened.

> Get over it.

Amount of helpfulness: none, givan is explaining the issue regardless of whether it concerns him personally, and denial is pointless. Humans are emotional first and foremost, and when they've spent years in pain (extra stress, work and money lost) due to one specific entity (person, vendor or other) they will not easily forget and forgive. That's how people work. Microsoft made their bed, and they have to lie in it whether you find that logical or not.

[EdiX]

    Yeah, sure, the people who worked in the highest positions back in the day employed some shitty tactics way back when

Like not allowing other browser on some devices, requiring locked down BIOS, patent lawsuits against competitors. Oh, wait, that all happened this year.

[axefrog]

Yeah, they should be more like Apple and make it so you can install whatever you wan... oh wait...

[danssig]

I have a MBP and I can install what ever I want. What are you talking about?

[EdiX]

I didn't say Apple is better.