[sph]

> Cloudflare's free tier is ridiculous: We do over 30TB+ of genuine traffic for $0. Makes it hard to move to any other platform. As a small tech shop, this is my Hotel California I'm happy to never leave.

Yeah that's how Cloudflare can reach total control over the Internet. With thunderous applause by people that should know better.

I know that my position is outright blasphemous in this day and age, where even self-hosting a static site has become black magic and we need a third party to do it for us.

[Capricorn2481]

I don't understand this take. First of all, moving off of Cloudflare is trivial if you really have an alternative. Second of all, self hosting a static website is easy, but that's not we're talking about here. We're talking about DDoS mitigation, which is not gonna be solved over a weekend hack with a load balancer. At least, not at the scale that matters.

What would the Cloudflare going evil phase even look like? Is it anything like Netlify charging me 100k because they don't provide ANY DDoS protection? I don't see any FOSS tools preventing this problem.

[sph]

You mean that all the people on HN that use Cloudflare's very generous free tier are at risk of DDOS?

Of course there is a benefit to selling your soul to the devil, what's the bloody point otherwise? I do not need to hear all the good things the devil got you, I am telling you that it is silly that "go Cloudflare" is the default advice is any situation because we have become lazy and complacent and we do not really care that we give the keys to the internet to one company.

The Internet gets shittier because people are lazy, and I need better arguments to being complicit to this than "I need DDoS protection for my 100-visitor a month blog."

[Capricorn2481]

> You mean that all the people on HN that use Cloudflare's very generous free tier are at risk of DDOS?

Yes? That's what this story is about. A random small website incurred a 100k charge because someone had the boredom to DDOS them today. Do you think you're not at risk?

> The Internet gets shittier because people are lazy, and I need better arguments to being complicit to this than "I need DDoS protection for my 100-visitor a month blog."

Gonna need you to explain the mechanism here. Because my argument is that Cloudflare is not the devil no matter how much you say it, and that using their service doesn't give them any keys.

What exactly are people lazy about and what are you doing alternatively that makes you different? Just not using Cloudflare? Because that's like not using condoms because you don't want to support a condom monopoly.

[throw1230]

That's not CloudFlare's fault.

[kirubakaran]

I dread the day they go evil

[throw10920]

> Yeah that's how Cloudflare can reach total control over the Internet. With thunderous applause by people that should know better.

This is an emotionally-manipulative, anti-intellectual comment that certainly does not belong on HN. There's no intellectual curiosity or value in this comment - just scoffing, predictions of doom, manipulative statements like "I know that my position is outright blasphemous in this day and age", and other drivel that belongs on Reddit, not here.