[hef19898]

Not every sales person is trying to rip you off so. That's not what sales is, despite some actually doing it. Most sales people so, are just doing their job in acquiring customers for their business.

Edit: Cars need service and maintenance. Dealerships can, and in Europe do with the exception of used car dealerships, provide these services as well. And that is something Tesla is really bad at.

[resolutebat]

Teslas (like all EVs) need a lot less service than the average ICE, and when you do need it, you can order Tesla's mobile service to come to your house and complete most servicing right then and there.

Most Tesla service horror stories I've heard about involve major accidents requiring repairs with long waits/high prices for parts, but you get a loaner to tide you over and any decent insurance handles the bill.

[hef19898]

Every car needs service, repairs, part replacement. Everything physical cannot be done OTA. And Tesla sucks at that, no question about that.

And if memory serves well, the Tesla practice of providong loaner vehicles spread to almost every other garage and brand, already 30 years ago.

[mdavid626]

Well, if you live in the US, then this is true. In Europe or somewhere else, I'm not so sure.

[maxehmookau]

Ok, "ripped off" might be an unfair description.

They are using manipulative techniques to extract as much profit from dealing with me as possible.

I understand that it's their job. But as a consumer, I _hate_ it and therefore would consider spending more money to avoid the uncomfortable feeling dealing with a car dealership gives me.

That's the value for me and I'm certainly not alone in that.

[hef19898]

You are aware, that if someone manages to get you pay more by not having to deal with a sales person, it is them who are rippong ypu off? Quite literally at that.

[maxehmookau]

I understand your point but I disagree.

They're providing me with, in my eyes, a premium product. "Come buy a car without the dance. Here's the price. Give us money, I'll give you a car. No strings."

I'll pay extra for that. I'll never win against an experienced salesperson, so why bother even trying?

[hef19898]

Opinions differ. But then paying a premium means paying a higher price than just accepting whatever a sales person asks for initially... To me, that is kind of stupid. But the I never got the German obsession with panel gaps neither, so make of that whatever you will.