[lapcat]

> If these groups were doing their job, those bad guys you mentioned should be gone by now, right?

Wrong. By what magic do you think their opponents suddenly disappear or give up?

Martin Luther King said, "the arc of the moral universe is long". Progess is slow and subject to setbacks.

> They used to make the history books with their accomplishments.

Some areas of the country now want to ban the teaching of that history.

Forget racism and sexism for a moment: do you seriously think that the temporary existence of labor unions makes profit-maximizing corporations give up and give in to all of labor's demand for eternity, even after labor unions dissolved?

[jjjjj55555]

Do you feel the wars on drugs and terror will ever be won? I don't. I look at your wars the same way.

They'll drag on and on. Some people will get rich and powerful, but the people on whose behalf you're supposedly fighting don't really care about any of it.

They'd much rather have affordable healthcare and housing.

[lapcat]

> They'd much rather have affordable healthcare and housing.

The "wars" for affordable healthcare and housing will also drag on and on. Because guess what, there are opposing sides fighting against each other on those issues too, and neither side will magically disappear or give up when one side wins a temporary victory.

It's truly bizarre that you think longstanding social issues can just be "solved" once and for all (if you truly believe that and aren't just trolling).

"If Christian evangelists did their job, then the whole world should be Christian." Doesn't that sound silly? It turns out that there are a whole lot of non-Christians in the world who don't want to be Christians, and they're going to do their "job" too.

[User3456335]

So you've now compared feminist movements to Christian evangelists. Do you think christian evangelists are important and deserve our attention even if the majority of christians don't care about them? How about feminists if women don't care about them?

[lapcat]

> So you've now compared feminist movements to Christian evangelists. Do you think christian evangelists are important and deserve our attention even if the majority of christians don't care about them?

You seem to have completely missed the point of why I mentioned them. We've now compared many different organizations and social issues. What they all have in common is that there are longstanding competiting interests on both sides, and thus an advocacy group doing its "job" doesn't entail that the opposition magically disappears. An advocacy group hasn't failed to do its job if it doesn't wipe the opposition off the face of the earth, thereby rendering itself irrelevant.

"An advocacy group should disband after one significant victory" is really an incredibly inane suggestion that could probably only be made by someone who doesn't like the advocacy group in question and wishes they would disband regardless of successes or failures.

[lagadu]

I'm just writing to call out your abrupt change of subject and avoidance to actually answer the person you replied to. Please be a better poster, if you have no answer, just don't reply.

[jrajav]

Get out of here with the "my team" / "your team" nonsense and the trolling in general. It's perfectly possible to make your point with reason and civility instead of cheap, shallow jabs, and if it isn't, well - probably not a point worth making.

[philwelch]

> Some areas of the country now want to ban the teaching of that history.

This is not actually true, but the lie serves the purposes of activists seeking to justify their continued existence, so they keep telling it.

[vacuity]

I'm not supportive of all opinions from the left-wing about race and whatnot, but it's clear that there is real pushback. Some people want to downplay the crime of enslaving Africans and highlight "American exceptionalism", complete with evangelical Protestantism and some degree of white supremacy.