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> Cities want it because there are plenty of businesses that rely on office workers buying food etc in downtown cores.

So casually dismissing the fact that this provides a HUGE amount of employment and revenue and, in turn, encourages face to face socialisation which builds communities and social cohesion.

Like... what's your plan for these people, this huge proportion of the population that can't work remotely, won't enjoy working remotely, don't want to work remotely etc.

People enjoy socialising. That's why so many TV programs are made about work and the office environment. People enjoy the social aspect of it. It's not all 'the office' - that's a massively cynical viewpoint. Most people get something out of going to the office, date co-workers, play golf with their colleagues, you know.

Society is not going to change to revolve around shut-in people haters. You're a minority. You're not normal.

[cnasc]

> this provides a HUGE amount of employment and revenue

Sounds like an opportunity for businesses to open near where people live rather than where they work.

> encourages face to face socialisation which builds communities and social cohesion

Every time I've commuted to an office, I haven't been a part of the local community. I've been part of the community where I live. Working remotely I spend more time building actual social cohesion in my community.

> Society is not going to change to revolve around shut-in people haters. You're a minority. You're not normal.

Making small talk while the coffee is brewing is not a real relationship, if anything it sounds like you're the one advocating "people-hating." Maybe if you didn't spend so much time at the office you'd be able to socialize for real (you know, like a normal person).

[spamizbad]

> Society is not going to change to revolve around shut-in people haters. You're a minority. You're not normal.

I like my coworkers and several of them are my friends but even before COVID I still spent around 90% of my time at the office working - because that was my job. I basically got to socialize during lunch and maybe had a quick chat here or there but nothing meaningful.

I get that certain roles probably allow more socialization but that hasn't been my experience working in tech. I had stuff to get gone, people expected me to deliver things in a timely manner, so I couldn't just blow off work to shoot the shit with my colleagues. Believe me, I would have enjoyed that but it wasn't fair to the company or good for my career.

[derekp7]

Breaking a bunch of windows will provide just as much value to the window repair workers.

[ripjaygn]

> So casually dismissing the fact that this provides a HUGE amount of employment and revenue

At this point just tax the remote workers and pay those folks to work on social or community programs, or dig holes and fill them in again, which is net positive because it means their health and fitness improves.

Why force people to give up their valuable family and personal time to pollute the air and clog up roads, create more accidents, and clog up transit? Time is the one thing in life that you can never get back. You're also ignoring the fact that remote work results in stores and restaurants closer to home getting more business.

> Like... what's your plan for these people, this huge proportion of the population that can't work remotely, won't enjoy working remotely, don't want to work remotely etc

Here's a plan, let them... work in the office? I don't see remote advocates insist that everyone work remotely, but I do see RTO advocates like you wanting to force everyone back to the office. Why?

> Society is not going to change to revolve around shut-in people haters. You're a minority. You're not normal.

Yet people like you seem to be unable to socialize without forcing people to hang out near you against their will to the point of threatening their livelihood. That's not normal. I can socialize fine with people around and near me. And hang out with coworkers outside the office too.

[000ooo000]

Ignoring the rest of your ridiculous comment,

>That's why so many TV programs are made about work and the office environment. People enjoy the social aspect of it.

Attempting to equate the appeal of some TV entertainment with the reality of travelling to and spending 40 hours a week in an office environment is laughable. That's like saying people enjoy war movies cause they like war. Plain idiotic.

[renewedrebecca]

nice black and white thinking there.

it's not an either-or situation. people who want to go into an office should. people who don't want to, shouldn't have to.

and hell, with the way you seem to think, why would anyone want to go into an office and be around people like you all day.

[samatman]

> That's why so many TV programs are made about work and the office

Ah yes, beloved British comedy The Office, whose subject is how nice it is to work in one.