the dates are vague, while the point remains, because trying to remember things clearer i did livecoding at toplap in brooklyn 2004-2005, and i wasn't a pioneer. but also i'm talking artistic trends, something could've happened prior to it becoming part of bigger whole, but then evolved as part of the whole that it itself has brought about.
but you're one of the meso guys, it would've been interesting to hear your opinions on what i said, outside the quible about dates. in my recollection vvvv leaned heavily into the aesthetic conventions around toplap at the time, and you must recall what i'm talking about judging by dates on your project page.
I started out at meso (~2005) and I worked for them for quite some time but I am not really one of the meso guys. tbh I landed there by chance at the recommendation of a friend while looking for a place to write my diploma thesis. at that time I had no idea whatsoever what they were doing and no relation at all to "digital arts" or "generative design".