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Yes, I'm assuming the forced diversity in its generated images is due to a system prompt; no, I don't believe they threw out all the pictures of white people before training. If they threw away all the pictures of German WWII soldiers that were white, then Gemini wouldn't know what German WWII soldiers looked like at all. No, it's clearly a poorly thought out system prompt. "Generate a picture of some German soldiers in 1943 (but make sure they're ethnically diverse!)"

They took it offline not because it takes a long time to change the prompt, but because it takes a long time to verify that their new prompt isn't similarly problematic.

> It seems likely that the corpus has had wrongthink expunged prior to training.

It seems likely to you because you erroneously believe that "wokeism" is some sort of intentional strategy and not just people trying to be decent. And because you haven't thought about how much effort it would take to do that and how little training data there would be left (in some areas, anyway).

> Are you implying that a pro version would allow the user to modify the system prompt?

I am saying it is not hard to imagine, as you claimed, that the pro version would have a different prompt than the free version*. Because I know that wokeism is not some corrupt mind virus where we're all conspiring to de-white your life; it's just people trying to be decent and sometimes over-correcting one way or the other.

* Apparently these are the same version, but it's still not a death knell for the entire model that one version of it included a poorly thought-out system prompt.

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> you erroneously believe that "wokeism

This is an ironic statement. On the one hand, you are able to read my mind and determine the worldview and intent behind my words. One the other, you suggest I'm doing the same to people who subscribe to "wokeism".

Meanwhile, Jack Krawczyk, a Sr. Director of Product on Gemini, has been publicly declaring on X (over years) things like "...This is America, where the #1 value our populace seeks to uphold is racism" and "...We obviously have egregious racism in this country.." and "I’ve been crying in intermittent bursts for the past 24 hours since casting my ballot. Filling in that Biden/Harris line felt cathartic." Do you think he is an exemplar of "wokeism" (however you want to define that term)? Do you think he is influential within the Gemini org? Do you think he is emblematic of the worldview of Google employees? Do you think his words are those of the type of person who is "just trying to be decent" but has made honest mistakes in his work?

> I am saying it is not hard to imagine,

This is really pretty pedantic, don't you think? I'd bet most people who read those words understood what I meant. Which is that it is unlikely (though, yes, not hard to imagine) that Gemini will allow users to alter the system prompt.

The bottom line is, Google appears to have either 1) introduced extreme bias into Gemini in some way or 2) to be pretty incompetent. Neither inspires confidence.

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> On the one hand, you are able to read my mind and determine the worldview and intent behind my words.

I don't have to read your mind when you use words like "wrongthink". Clearly you think you're the hero in a dystopian sci-fi novel where a brainwashed society tries to shun you for "saying what we're all thinking".

> Meanwhile, Jack Krawczyk, a Sr. Director of Product on Gemini, has been publicly declaring on X (over years) things like "...This is America, where the #1 value our populace seeks to uphold is racism"

I mean, 60+ million people swear a blood oath to a senile narcissistic raging asshole, voting against their own interests, accepting exploitation by their cult leader, for no other reason but that he promises to make brown people suffer, so, it's a little hard to criticize Jack's claim here

> "...We obviously have egregious racism in this country.."

Again: this is patently obvious to anyone who pays even a tiny bit of attention to anything that's going on, so ...

> Do you think he is an exemplar of "wokeism" (however you want to define that term)? Do you think his words are those of the type of person who is "just trying to be decent" but has made honest mistakes in his work?

I certainly think acknowledging that 60 million voters have "hurt the brown people" as their #1 core political issue is compatible with trying to be a decent person, yes.

> Do you think he is emblematic of the worldview of Google employees?

No. Why would he be? He's just one guy.

> Do you think he is influential within the Gemini org?

Of course, but the fact that he's not willfully ignorant of the political reality of the United States does not mean he demanded that Google systematically purge their training data of white people. That is an insane jump to make. And it is also obviously not borne out by the fact that Gemini knows what a German WWII soldier looks like at all.

> [I meant] that it is unlikely (though, yes, not hard to imagine) that Gemini will allow users to alter the system prompt.

No, you said it was hard to imagine (okay, unlikely) Gemini Pro being useful because of Google's "bizarre biases". And it has become clear that, to you, simply acknowledging that racism exists is a bizarre bias. I claimed it was a system prompt, you claimed they purged the training data of wrongthink.