[dartos]

Pretty shallow analysis.

How much energy was used for training chat gpt 2,3 and 4?

Also

> We’ll assume that AI models have roughly the same split of operating costs as a typical data centre

I don’t think this is a good assumption. GPT is not a typical application, it requires a massive amount of power hungry GPUs.

It’d be better to compare the power cost to non-asic crypto mining farms.

[tomjohnneill]

That's fair about ignoring the training cost. I did write a bit more going into that in a follow up piece here: https://notfunatparties.substack.com/p/ai-is-good-for-the-pl...

Do you have any better sources for the power usage stats? It would be good to get a bit closer on that front. Having said that, even if the cost share is closer to 80%, that still puts it on par with a laptop for an average person.

[dartos]

Well openai has about 30k A100s https://www.tomshardware.com/news/chatgpt-nvidia-30000-gpus

What’s the power consumption on that assuming full load at all times?

[dartos]

Also, I would expect openai to be taking a loss on each individual inference request as they also have a monthly fee, dalle, and loads of VC capital.

No source for that though, I just wouldn’t assume that they’re breaking even

[tomjohnneill]

I can definitely imagine they're not covering the amortised cost of the training with the cost per individual inference request. It seems less likely to me that they're making a significant loss on each subsequent request, but again no source from me on that either.

Looking a bit more into this, I found this paper: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2311.16863.pdf. It references a table saying that text generation uses 0.047 kWh per 1000 inferences, which is 1-2 orders of magnitude lower than my estimate. Though that is for GPT2, so possibly tracks to something roughly in the ~0.001 kWh per inference for GPT3.5.

[dartos]

Well doesn’t the compute time for transformers scale roughly quadratically with model size?

Would it make sense for power consumption to also scale roughly quadratically?

[tomjohnneill]

I'm not sure. The figures I've seen suggest that GPT3 required 10x more energy to train than GPT2 (e.g. https://www.nnlabs.org/power-requirements-of-large-language-....), so I think a roughly 1-2 order of magnitude increase in energy usage from GPT2 to GPT3.5 makes sense.