[spiderfarmer]

The US: 40 per 100k NL: 7.1 per 100k

I think I'll continue to draw "unreasonable" conclusions.

[ethbr1]

If you'd wanted to make the stronger case, you could have used those numbers the first time. ;)

[spiderfarmer]

I fail to see how you made a valid counter argument though.

[ethbr1]

There isn't one. You're right. You were just using shock numbers to argue it, when the fair numbers did so better.

[thehappypm]

Do you have the E.U. as a whole compared the US? If you're going to compare, might as well do apples to apples.