[sparrowInHand]

I abhor these projects, because they are seasonal- as in dependent on outside funds and thus hyper-fragile. Also usually propped up by colonizers, to detract from some ressource extraction destruction.

Same with wildlife preserves. One bad coup with corrupt politicians, one recession in the west - and its all gone, poached and ruins. Its worthless feel good photo OP, monetary potemkin zoos and forrests, providing the worst kind of hope, the one that has no chance to last in a storm.

What is their solution against nomads and there goat herds which are still a status symbol and in conflict with the farmers of the region? Poisonous plants? Guards? Landmines? How does it prevent building up resentment, when obviously a green landscape is more important to the foreigners, then the starving locals?

How does it solve the hard problem of exponential mankind vs civilizational allmende protection?

How do the plants survive in the climate change storms yet to come?

[burnte]

You didn't watch the video, clearly. They're incredibly simple projects that help permanently convert land from desert to arable. They're not dependent upon the outside for anything except directions, as the only tools needed are what the people already have, a pickaxe and shovel. Once started it can continue on with nothing but locals who want to take more land back from the desert.

Nomads, landmines, buzzwords, you're just looking for edge cases where this fails, and that's not helpful. If it works for 80% of the land they look at, that's mre than good enough.

[sparrowInHand]

Don't look at the now, the moment, look at the long run. If they had missionaried for a religion that creates a reverance to natures creation and destruction for self-gain as a colonial, anti-god ideology, that would create longterm prospects for this to survive. If they had planted plants poisonous to goats and sheep, this could have endured longer. If they made this sort of work a yearly festival. That would have done more then a incentive driven strawfire.

[burnte]

Please don't pretend religion has any answers to any real world problems, it just causes problems.

[alephnerd]

> I abhor these projects, because they are seasonal- as in dependent on outside funds and thus hyper-fragile. Also usually propped up by colonizers, to detract from some ressource extraction destruction.

It depends on the institutional experience of each country. There's a reason this initiative is being done in Senegal instead of neighboring Mali.

WFP funding is fairly consistent and less whimsical ime. It's private donors like the Gates Foundation that tend to be flaky, as they only answer to the whims of the Gates family.

Programs like the WFP, WB, IMF, ADB, USAID, etc need to be auditable as significant amounts of public and private money are invested, leading to demands from multiple donors, compared to family foundations or smaller non-profits.

[ludsan]

> How does it prevent building up resentment, when obviously a green landscape is more important to the foreigners, then the starving locals? > How does it solve the hard problem of exponential mankind vs civilizational allmende protection? > How do the plants survive in the climate change storms yet to come?

I plan on using this set of questions next time my girlfriend says we should do something I don't want to do.

> I abhor these projects...

Jeesh.

[TheRealPomax]

I dunno, maybe watch the video and get your answers from the people who literally answers them in the video? They're not "planting trees", they're basically just running the normal progression of how sand forests develop at a faster, but still slow enough to take years, rate. Nothing particularly "it'll never work" or "it won't survive" about that.

[sparrowInHand]

Its literally in the video, the scenery they drive by - goats and goat deforrested landscape.. but hey, ignore reality

[dumbomon]

The goats are the stars in this thread