[insider-trade]

Education has been tried. If that doesn’t work, yes you have to try something else.

“Just let them be assholes or else you’re the real asshole for not letting them be assholes” is not a good argument.

Let people buy any gun they want, because infantilizing.

Let people sell meth, because…

Let people withhold wages…

[whimsicalism]

You and what army will make people do what they don’t want to do?

People don’t like others selling meth and withholding wages, so it is easy to get popular support. But if people don’t understand and support the environmental mandates, all you will get is large-scale popular backlash - unless you can somehow restrain democratic will with force.

I don’t think we really disagree - I just think that we need to either come up with better ways of selling people on this, better ways of being sneaky, or force - and think the first is probably the best option.

[insider-trade]

Offer an economy not based on growth. The larger a company, the more sociopathic its aggregate behavior.

I’m not talking about going back to mom-and-pop farms. The fact that there’s an enormous supply chain that economizes plastic use on farms is what I’m talking about. Oil companies are more powerful than nation states.

I think we can sell people on reducing consumption and consuming more sustainable materials. How? Work less, have more time for leisure, go out and breathe clean air.

Also Malthusianism is real. But providing education and contraceptives works to reduce birthrates. No genocide needed.

[dappermanneke]

it’s so good to have you here on HN as of three hours ago spouting nice opinions like ecofascists should seize power and upend the economy

[insider-trade]

There’s room in all forms of society for regulation. Changing part of the economy isn’t automatically fascism. Slow your roll. Then slow your roll again.

You sit in privilege and sneer at the potential for change. Why change the status quo if you already feel comfortable?

Justify how the most powerful companies in the world, with the worst track records for dishonesty, and with mounds of scientific evidence toward the harm of their products should not be targets of regulation.

Or go ahead and start putting lead into your gas tank, like a hero who doesn’t listen to others.