[calsy]

Its not developer or people friendly? What are you talking about??? They have the most mature dev stack for app development available.

Its the most convenient option for anyone who owns an Apple device by far. Its not even an argument, the number of apps and the income generated from customers says it all.

People want fully featured apps, not companion apps. Your personal feelings on the matter aren't relevant to what a customer wants.

[orwin]

> People want fully featured apps, not companion apps

Not my experience. I rock climb, sail and play pen and paper rpgs. I have a companion app for the second, four for the third (2 I coded myself). The rock climbing is the only one that would need a true app (with geo-localisation and maybe a gmap interface). Idem for my work, I don't care, on my phone, about a full feature github, or even email service.

Just forgot, I also have a tuner, it's a full app but it doesn't need to be (I had one of Firefox OS too, you only had web apps on it).

[calsy]

You code? Then you should know your personal preferences are completely irrelevant. You think 99.999999%+ of apple users care about github or Firefox OS. Why even bring it up? 'I like using these specific apps, so millions upon millions of other users must be identical to me.'.

The initial argument was completely different. This person makes companion apps simply because they don't like Apples business practices. Lovely for him I guess.. for most it makes absolutely no sense financially to ignore your customers needs based on a personal preference. Customer will just use a better, fully featured app thats not bound by the developers inflated ego.

[orwin]

I think the main issue is there then :

> 'ignore your customers'

I'm not a customer of any music app. I'm not a customer of any dnd app. I am a user of music companion app, and in my opinion, but i'm clearly in the majority in my area, full feature tuner/music apps are inferior to companion apps for musicians. And it's the same for character sheet helpers for rpgs, we tried using an app a few years ago, it worked well enough, but companion apps are just better in my experience if you play on a table.

Probably because often, companions app have users, not customers?

[calsy]

Again, why do you keep bringing up personal experiences as a benchmark? It’s completely irrelevant. We are talking about a store with 100s of millions of users, you’re just 1. How about checking what apps are the most downloaded for a start to get an idea what people actually want in an app.

Customers, users… just interchangeable terms to mean the same thing. The whole issue is this particular developer does not build fully featured apps with Apple as they would take too much money out of any generated income (if any). So yeah, this is just about money.

[orwin]

I think I have to requote the part I responded to

> People want fully featured apps, not companion apps

I gave multiple example on why this is false. I thought one example was enough to prove something is false, but okay.

[hu3]

Orwin I advice not engaging further as you'll waste your time. I don't think your parent commenter is interested in a honest debate.

From my experience in a sibling discussion.

Their language is emotional and loaded, and include ad hominem attacks.

Perhaps they are going through some difficult times or something.

[hu3]

> They have the most mature dev stack for app development available.

By what standard?

Xcode is historically inferior when compared to the likes of Jetbrains IDEs and Visual Studio.

And their documentation is so bad devs resort to watching WWDC videos in search for scraps of information.

[calsy]

What can I say.. That is completely false, 100% false, its not an argument. Infinitely more apps have been developed in Xcode than Jetbrains IDEs and Visual Studio combined. Now and historically.

Anecdotal stories of developers watching WWDC videos for info means something? There are millions upon millions of developers who worked and created apps just fine without referring to WWDC videos.

[hu3]

> Infinitely more apps have been developed in Xcode than Jetbrains IDEs and Visual Studio combined. Now and historically.

Maybe because xcode has been the only sensible choice since forever due to apple's imposed limitations?

That's like saying webkit is the best browser engine since it's the most used one on iPhones.

This line of reasoning, if one can call it that, is laughable.