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by robin_reala 853 days ago
Ah, the old pop-tart solid rocket booster. Sugar is a good propellant (though you’ll need an oxidiser if you’re going far up).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid-propellant_rocket#%22Can...

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In Andy Weir's The Martian one of the characters uses a mixture of sugar and liquid oxygen as an IED. Loads of energy in sugar. Glycerin is also quite energy dense. I used to do chemistry demos for high school chem classes and the potassium permanganate and glycerin demo was always a spectacle.
A similar lab demo I recall also is the gummy bear dropped into a test tube of molten potassium chlorate.

Rather spicy reaction ensues.

Also a good reaction. Nice orange/pink flame.
For a lot of propulsion kinds of reactions you can mix a good oxidizer (liquid oxygen, high percentage hydrogen peroxide, fuming nitric acid) with any organic solid. Hotdogs, sugar, fat, or just anything really made mostly of carbon.
Are small, retail model rockets allowed to be launched from large public spaces in the US still? Or do they require a license, realtime transponder, and a bunch of bureaucratic red tape like RC aircraft that is effectively a dead hobby with a Hobson's choice between privacy invasion and cost, over-criminalization, and non-participation.
You mean like Estes rockets? I've taken my kids to the local elementary school grass field and launched them many times. We've never had an issue.
Oh wow this unlocked an elementary school memory I haven't thought about in awhile. I used to launch rockets with one of my teachers at my school's soccer field. I remember the smell of the engines distinctly.
https://www.apogeerockets.com/Peak-of-Flight/Newsletter516

If under a certain size, the rules are basically "as long as it isn't hazardous" which is vague but more or less requires common sense.

It's also not that hard to comply with RC aircraft regulations.

Plus, drones are everywhere, it's not exactly a dead hobby. Most of the people who were interested in other kinds of RC aircraft are more attracted to the much easier to handle quadcopter types.

Sugar is a prime component of Hamas's Qassam rocket fuel, with potassium nitrate as oxidizer.

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This is just "rocket candy" right? My friend made this stuff a whole bunch when we were teens. Once during a summer break from college, we lit up a watermelon sized chunk of the stuff, producing a house sized plume of white smoke and a mild explosion.

It's pretty fun! Maybe don't build missiles with it and attempt to kill your neighbor with it though, seems like the least fun possible use for it.

Yes.

It's also opportunistic exploitation of supplies which would be likely to pass through an imports blockade, as has been the case in Gaza.

Both sugar and fertiliser are basic-needs goods, with obvious nonmilitary applications. The fact that they can be combined (with other dual-purpose and low-cost materials, such as steel piping) to create ballistic weapons with ranges (and accuracies) of tens of kilometres is useful to Hamas and of course highly problematic for Israel.

What the source I'd linked noted was that though the rockets are individually highly inaccurate, en mass they become effective area denial weapons (effectively aerial mines), and a highly-asymmetric cost advantage over Israel's Iron Dome ballistic missile defence systems. A Qassam rocket costs less than $1,000, whilst a single shot by Iron Dome is on the order of $100,000, for a 100:1 cost advantage to the attacker. Even given Israel's vastly greater economic capacity over Hamas, that stings.

I know sugar is hypergolic with Potassium Bromate, but I wonder if it's hypergolic with RFNA? That would be amazing... if stupidly dangerous.
> RFNA

Isn't this one of those substances that is hypergolic with everything around them, including air, water, and test engineers?

You're thinking of chlorine trifluoride [1]. But red fuming nitric acid is also hypergolic with many fuels.

[1] https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/sand-won-t-save-yo...

It's... a little spicy sure, and yeah maybe the acid burns and NO2 exposure are a bit lethal.

But my god man, think of the specific impulse! ;)

Not quite, it contains a little bit of water and will be fine sitting on a bench in an open beaker. But you should really avoid touching it or having it touch anything, particularly anything with carbon in it.