[drevil-v2]

You don't think China already has folks working in TSMC fabs stealing IP?

If you believe that every Taiwanese engineer is rabidly anti-China then I have a vaccine I want to sell you.

It is my belief that China will steal what it can, corrupt who it can, threaten who it can and most importantly, re-invent what it is missing (they have a bigger STEM education pipeline that most Western countries combined) until they no longer have this achilles heel.

The only unknown is if there is will be hot war before they reach that inflection point.

[baq]

The proof is in the pudding: they haven’t been able to replicate the process.

ASML tools are step 432 of 1234. There’s a whole fab built around it and a whole supplier ecosystem.

They will eventually succeed. That is obvious. High end chips have become existential in the modern world, especially now with AI, but have already been before that. When will they succeed is an open question as stealing the blueprint is absolutely not enough.

[itsoktocry]

>It is my belief that China will steal what it can, corrupt who it can, threaten who it can and most importantly, re-invent what it is missing

So, from 10,000ft I see what you're saying, and might even agree.

But what possesses someone to describe a people or country like this? We do the same with Russia; "other" them, like they have inherently "evil" traits. As if the US isn't above or involved in espionage.

I guess I'm confused how otherwise seemingly intelligent people can look at another country and think their people are fundamentally different. But god forbid you point that lens at the wrong group.

[MangoCoffee]

>China will steal what it can, corrupt who it can, threaten who it can and most importantly, re-invent what it is missing (they have a bigger STEM education pipeline that most Western countries combined) until they no longer have this achilles heel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semiconductor_Manufacturing_In...

China has done what you said since 2005. it've been 20 years. is China leading the semis industry?

[actionfromafar]

And finally, they will force their citizens to be happy.

[edgyquant]

TSMC itself relies on lithography tooling coming from the west. I get people want the western world to be wrong here but they have the edge and China doesn’t. It’s going to take them awhile to catch up and by that point the west will have innovated in new ways. China overplayed its hand way to early and will suffer technologically for this.