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by caslon 846 days ago
On the other hand, if being anti-indoctrination is the goal, it might be a good idea to turn the same lens toward universities that see an oversized volume of alumni participating in the defense industry, something seen as pro-American (albeit against many of the criteria you list off). Historically, some universities have been extremely fond of propaganda in this regard, going as far as to creating direct pipelines from school to participation, like Caltech's participation in the V-12 program, JPL, or Project Vista.

If that isn't indoctrination, I'm not sure what is.

Indoctrination isn't bad, and students should be able to have a choice between whether they want to get indoctrinated by the types of people who created the nuclear bomb, if they want to get indoctrinated by hippies, or if they want to get indoctrinated by a church-funded university.

Education is inherently ideological, and the market is really leaning toward hippie faculty at the moment. Allowing market forces to do what they will seems fine. It'll come back around eventually, and in the meantime, state school kids are doing what prestigious university students are too good for. Look at Anduril, which is far more impressive a defense achievement than anything that's come out of Caltech since before you were a student.

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> Allowing market forces to do what they will seems fine

Sure. But I draw the line when people try to force their anti-American agenda on people.

> Look at Anduril, which is far more impressive a defense achievement than anything that's come out of Caltech since before you were a student.

Caltech is a very small university.

> Education is inherently ideological

My education at Caltech was nearly entirely math, science, engineering, etc. I don't see that as ideological. I did get a palpable sense from the profs that these subjects were exciting.

I never heard any defense propaganda from the Caltech faculty, none at all. JPL was there, but not a single soul pushed me to apply for a job there.

The only propaganda I recall was my economics professor pushing Marxism, and if you didn't regurgitate his Marxist views on the exams, you received a bad grade. I learned my lesson, and instead satisfied the social studies requirement by taking business accounting - something useful.

> Sure. But I draw the line when people try to force their anti-American agenda on people.

This doesn't happen, though; there are a lot of universities that love pro-American sentiment in professors. A university deciding to be anti-American seems fine, and quite American. As an employer, it should be able to choose who it wants to offer positions. No one is forced, they just fail to incentivize prestigious universities in maintaining their employment under conditions they desire.

What is 'pro-American' and 'anti-American'?
What's impressive about Anduril? Please.