[Throw73747]

Sure Uncle Tom! If it's so great, why they have to force people into it?

I was conscripted, I fired 20 bullets over 12 months, I get more practise over weekend of paintball! Rest was just bullying, cleaning toilets and scraping potatoes. They would not even let me drive a truck, because I was too "unreliable"!

[fl7305]

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> If it's so great, why they have to force people into it?

The fact that people are forced is not in opposition to the fact that they can still be motivated and capable once training is over.

> I was conscripted, I fired 20 bullets over 12 months. Rest was just bullying, cleaning toilets and scraping potatoes. They would not even let me drive a truck, because I was too "unreliable"!

Conscription sucked for you, sure. If everyone in that army receives that level of training, I will concede that it will be neither motivated nor capable.

But we have plenty of examples where countries with conscription armies have performed well in armed conflicts.

So the concept of conscription is not obviously ineffective. It depends on the implementation.

[Throw73747]

> So the concept of SLAVERY is not obviously ineffective. It depends on the implementation.

[fl7305]

Yes. The opposition to slavery is on ethical grounds. Not practical.

But while you will find absolutely no support for slavery in the Nordic countries, there is 100.0% support for conscription in the Swedish parliament.

The people forced into conscription in Sweden later end up voting for parties who support it. I doubt you'll find the same thing with many ex-slaves, right?

The "huge opposition" that you keep bringing up just doesn't exist here.

[Throw73747]

51% of Swedish population opposes conscription tooth and nail.

My "practical" opposition to slavery is that I will never ever become slave again, no matter if waht, if I am forced into it!

[fl7305]

> 51% of Swedish population opposes conscription tooth and nail.

Uhh, what? Did you just make that up?

Funny how both the left party and the green party are for forced conscription in Sweden if there's such a strong opposition against it. You'd think they could get a lot of votes by campaigning against conscription? Which they don't...

[Throw73747]

I was in Gothenburg. There is a statue for 51%, they were forced to stay at home and are the real victims, while 49% were pushed through meat grinder.

So not just Uncle Tom, but also total misogynistic! Please do not ignore women, they are human beings and they matter too!