[AymanJabr]

Until there is physical evidence that can be confirmed by third parties of other nations, we should just treat the entire thing as PsyOps. The existence of Alien civilizations at a level of development so far from us that they would be Gods is such an outrageous claim, that it would need outrageous amounts of evidence.

Taking the words of Government officials who have the blessing of the military to "whistleblow" is just not good enough.

[GoblinSlayer]

I wouldn't say being gods is that far, just many humans are dumb and on top of that even don't want to use whatever brains they got. It's self inflicted retardation really.

[nprateem]

It's outrageous to seriously believe we're the most advanced life form in the entire universe. Whether anyone's come visiting is the issue.

[Larrikin]

Its not outrageous to believe it's possible we are actually first or the most advanced without evidence to refute it.

We currently have no evidence otherwise, and our best hopes (in my lifetime atleast) are finding ocean dwelling creatures on moons in the solar system that have no technology capable of reaching Earth.

It's just outrageous to think we are a unique possibility in the entire universe given how many stars and galaxies we have discovered.

[red-iron-pine]

> It's just outrageous to think we are a unique possibility in the entire universe given how many stars and galaxies we have discovered.

It's important to underscore just how big the universe is

There may be some more life out there. But even with lightspeed engines they are so far away as to not really exist in a meaningful sense.

With our limited technology w/r/t space, they are functionally non-existent

[Izkata]

I'm on the side that it's very odd to think we'd be the first, considering how short our existence is compared to dinosaurs. On the flipside, that same comparison means we may well be the most advanced.

[nprateem]

In an infinite universe it's infinitely probable there are other more advanced civilisations.

[ablation]

The idea that an infinite universe means infinitely many advanced civilisations is appealing but I think your statement oversimplifies a complex issue.

Firstly, the universe's infinity is not a settled matter; current cosmology suggests it's vast but finite, but of course, there's no absolute answer to this (yet). I'd also look to the Drake Equation when considering this point, which illustrates the myriad factors and sheer number of uncertainties involved in the development of "advanced civilisations".

So, yeah: while advanced civilisations are certainly possible, they may not be as probable as you suggest, even in a universe brimming with stars and planets.

[actionfromafar]

And if they are outside our light cone, they just as well might not exist. There is no-one and will never be anyone to hear that tree fall in the forest.

[nprateem]

Not when you're thinking in terms of probabilities.

[nprateem]

We didn't even know how many stars had planets until not so long ago. The idea we're any good at detecting advanced civilisations in the visible universe is highly questionable.

[actionfromafar]

But how easy they are to detect is separate from the Drake equation - it's there only to demonstrate how many uncertainties there are.

[paulryanrogers]

Just not necessarily at the same time, or with sufficient resources to reach us.

[k8svet]

Hey. The first comment actually hitting on it. There is zero difference between UFO truthers and religious folks. Literally the arguments being made in this thread would apply to "is god real?

And yet once again were here, already taking the unfounded conspiracy more seriously than it deserves to be.

And in fact, I see the causes being the same. People are losing control. Losing the excitement of the capitalist consumer treadmill. Searching for answers and clarity. What would solve all of my problems that the single largest shift in human history! Jesus's return! I mean aliens!