[manuelabeledo]

By which metric?

[diffeomorphism]

Whatever metric apple uses. They freely admit that their chips are less powerful. Efficiency you can look up, e.g. whatever benchmark value per watt.

[xcv123]

Apple currently has the fastest single core performance according to Cinebench, Geekbench, and PassMark benchmarks

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html

[tester756]

What about price? it seems to be waay more expensive than competition

check e.g those

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/laptop.html

AMD and Intel beat Apple hard in perf and price benchmarks.

[xcv123]

> hard in perf and price benchmarks

I just showed you that Apple is equal or better in terms of single core performance. This thread is a bunch of childish fanboy nonsense, attaching egos to some brand of CPU manufacturer and ignoring actual benchmarks.

Personally I don't care about $20 price differences. On a developer salary who gives a shit about price? I own Apple, Intel, and AMD cpus. They're all good.

[tester756]

>I just showed you that Apple is equal or better in terms of single core performance. This thread is a bunch of childish fanboy nonsense, attaching egos to some brand of CPU manufacturer and ignoring actual benchmarks.

So, just because you used one metric, then I shouldnt look at the other metrics?

[xcv123]

You said "perf and price". Benchmarks show they are not beating Apple hard at performance. For price there is no straightforward way to compare since you can't buy standalone Apple CPUs.

[manuelabeledo]

Price cannot be compared because we do not know the price of an Apple processor. In fact, Passmark does not include Apple processors in their "best value" listings [0]

[0] https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_value_available.html

[tester756]

>Price cannot be compared because we do not know the price of an Apple processor

It cannot be compared perfectly, but you can try to estimate its perf/$

I'm not saying this will be easy, but imagine if the whole laptop was e.g 10k usd instead of 4-5k, then you'd instantly feel that something is expensive

[manuelabeledo]

> It cannot be compared perfectly, but you can try to estimate its perf/$

Hardly.

I don't see how one would be able to identify and normalize all the required variables, e.g. median life expectancy, average performance across metrics per watt, average power usage, residual value, etc.

For instance, I can sell my 2017 MacBook Pro for roughly twice as much as my 2017 Thinkpad, which has better specs. How do you factor that?

[manuelabeledo]

I'm running Cinebench 24 right now on my M3 Max, because I'm genuinely curious about that.

So far it is looking OK. In single core, it handily beats a 7900X3D at a fraction of the power draw.

[FullyFunctional]

Exactly. There are so many dimensions across which to evaluate it. What I care about the most is 1) ST thread (running my personal workload which is inherently single threaded), and 2) Rust compilation (MT compile/ST link).

For 1) my fastest iron is i9-13700KS and Apple M2. They are very close. My Zen 3 is great and is notably more power efficient, but I'll evaluate 14700KS-Zen 5-M3 when possible.

ADD: because of winter I'm loving my i9-13700KS (not kidding, my office would be freezing without it), but come summer I'll care about efficiency.