[vinay_ys]

What we really know for sure is this – sleep is good, anxiety is bad. So, if you aren't getting good sleep, find ways to fix it. And if you are anxious all the time, find ways to fix it.

By one tradition that's thousands of years old – Yoga+Pranayama+Meditation (linking physical/mental_movement+breadth) and fasting + eating moderately (eat only if you are hungry and eat enough to quench hunger, and eat 'satvik' food) and cultivating positive thought patterns (practicing gratitude, humility, curiosity) is also known to solve for sleep and anxiety.

Coming to coffee, all coffee is not made the same way and everyone don't drink the same quantity per day either. And it doesn't have the same impact on everyone's body. So, it is best to avoid jumping to broad generalized conclusions based on a few anecdotal stories.

But, it is good for people to share their experiences and for others to consider them.

[graemep]

> By one tradition that's thousands of years old

It is hard to think of a major religious tradition that does not have most of these elements (fasting, moderation, practicing positive thought patterns) within it. The posture and movement bit is specific to that tradition - but even there I think things like "work and prayer" are not that different.

> Coming to coffee, all coffee is not made the same way and everyone don't drink the same quantity per day either. And it doesn't have the same impact on everyone's body.

Very much my reaction. Would having or not having a cup of coffee in the morning make a big difference to me? Hard to tell.

Also, if you have a lot of coffee coming of it suddenly can be a problem because caffeine is an anti-depressant. A coffee habit might be self-medication.

I find the tone of the article a bit annoying. It reminds me of people on LinkedIn going on about how much better they feel since they gave up alcohol.

[ifyoubuildit]

> I find the tone of the article a bit annoying. It reminds me of people on LinkedIn going on about how much better they feel since they gave up alcohol.

I'm curious about this. I notice this sentiment on any topic where someone quit somebody else's drug of choice.

Someone says they improved their life by dropping weed, the responses will be full of people telling you that alcohol is legal poison (nevermind that nobody was talking about alcohol) and weed is a miracle drug, and they are perfectly high functioning thank you very much.

Someone says they improved their life by dropping booze, everyone has to tell them how nobody lives forever, and didn't you see that study that says moderate drinking is healthy?

And so on for all the other substances people consume.

Its like a lot of people secretly feel like they have to justify their own usage whenever someone does something differently, as if they feel attacked for some reason. But you don't have to. You can put whatever you want in your body for whatever reason you choose. And if other people choose not to (and maybe even choose to write about it), why should that be a bother to you?

[graemep]

I would flip that round and ask why people need to feel they have to talk about overcoming any personal problem on social media? Particular as I see it most often on LinkedIn which is supposed to be for business, and mostly used for business. Is it an appropriate venue to discuss something as personal as overcoming an addiction?

The other thing is that there is a strong element of trying to encourage others to do the same. This article is better than most but its intent is still "you should do the experiment for yourself."

It also presents some supposed science that is very misleading. No mention of studies that show any group of people benefit. No mention of differences between long and short term reactions. No mention of possible benefits. No mention of the dangers of suddenly stopping taking it (it is an anti-depressant, you should not suddenly stop anti-depressants).

> Its like a lot of people secretly feel like they have to justify their own usage whenever someone does something differently, as if they feel attacked for some reason.

Maybe sometimes, but quite a lot of the time there is an implicit, moralistic, criticism - the intent is very clearly "this is a bad thing to do" and everyone should stop doing it.

I certainly think people should avoid substances they find they have a tendency to abuse. If you cannot be moderate, then quit. If stopping taking it has an immediate noticeable effect then that is strong evidence you have a problem and should stop taking it. The problem is the assumption that everyone else would have the same benefits if they gave up too.

[ifyoubuildit]

> I would flip that round and ask why people need to feel they have to talk about overcoming any personal problem on social media? Particular as I see it most often on LinkedIn which is supposed to be for business, and mostly used for business. Is it an appropriate venue to discuss something as personal as overcoming an addiction?

I think that's just like anything else: either for kicks or for clicks. Give people an outlet and they'll use it, either because it feels good or it makes them money or both.

To me the more interesting thing is why people feel compelled to engage, especially so when it comes to substances.

> Maybe sometimes, but quite a lot of the time there is an implicit, moralistic, criticism - the intent is very clearly "this is a bad thing to do" and everyone should stop doing it

I think people tend to perceive the "everyone should stop doing it" whether it's there or not with these topics. If I just say "I don't X", some portion of people will undoubtedly hear "and nobody else should either" and get their hackles up.

It's really just a topic best avoided if you don't want to offend people or risk making them think poorly of you, even if you aren't the one bringing it up. Which seems a little sad.

[graemep]

> To me the more interesting thing is why people feel compelled to engage, especially so when it comes to substances.

My experience is that people do not. I almost always see these in LinkedIn where I do not respond because I do not think it would be appropriate to do so - any more than it is to discuss it there. People who do respond are uniformly supportive.

I might respond there to a discussion about whether this is something appropriate to post there.

I responded here with this comment because I saw a parallel and this is a more general discussion.

> If I just say "I don't X", some portion of people will undoubtedly hear "and nobody else should either" and get their hackles up.

Again your experience differs from mine. I do see similar comments else where and a simple "I don't do X" is invariably ignored. Even on Facebook! I saw someone say "I do not drink alcohol myself" in a discussion on FB recently and it did not affect the discussion (parents talking about teens drinking) at all and the same with a similar discussion on LinkedIn (although I read that thread less closely). I do see responses when someone makes particular claims, most commonly about vegan diets - e.g. making specific claims about health etc.

I think the responses depend on the audience and the context. If it is made on Twitter by someone widely followed I would expect lots of such responses (not seen anyone say it on Twitter that I can recall).

> It's really just a topic best avoided if you don't want to offend people or risk making them think poorly of you, even if you aren't the one bringing it up. Which seems a little sad.

I think discussing personal issues on social media is a bad idea generally so its no loss.

[thomasahle]

> And it doesn't have the same impact on everyone's body.

I'm one of those that seem able to drink lots of coffee even at 6 or 8pm and still fall fast asleep.

I also don't feel any different during the day whether I drink it or not. Though I usually still drink it, for various reasons like taste, warmth and social aspects.

People always want to find simple universal dietary rules.

[teapot7]

Likewise. I can happily drink coffee at bedtime. I never experience a "coffee rush".

A yoga instructor friend once told me "You have a sluggish metabolism". I cannot deny it.

[grecy]

Huh. I have a very fast metabolism and coffee greatly affects me. Even one cup and I get the sweats, my heart will beat funny and I get anxious and a bit hyper for a while before a crash later in the day.

I wonder if metabolism speed really is an indicator of caffeine "impact".

[BubbleRings]

Yeah but there are some great and true simple universal dietary/wellness rules. For instance, this one: Never let a doctor put you on medication for anxiety when you have not yet tried totally quitting caffeine for a couple months.

[jononomo]

Are you still under 40?

[thesz]

> sleep is good, anxiety is bad.

Sleep is not all good: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypersomnia

Anxiety is not all bad: https://www.intechopen.com/chapters/43757

Sattvic food is not good for your health: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37085478/ and https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35710164/

[lukan]

But in general sleep is good and anxiety is bad and the studies you linked do not show, whether eating fruits in moderation is bad.

[riversflow]

Both of those studies on foods consider only people who already have Non-alcoholic fatty liver disease. One of them is about specifically sugary beverages, not whole fruit. Neither show “Sattvic food is not good for your health”.

[thesz]

> people who already have Non-alcoholic fatty liver disease.

That is 25% of US adults.

Fuits contain fructose (a poison) which is transformed to glucose by liver, because our bodies cannot use it directly. From this perspective, beverages that contain "high fructose corn syrup" like Coca Cola or many others are not distinguishable from fruits.

[bratwurst3000]

It’s about the ratio of glucose to fructose. More than 50% glucose seems ok. Most fruits have more glucose than fructose.

High corn fructose corn Sirup is used because it is cheap and fructose is 1.5 more sweet than glucose.

[senectus1]

as with anything, the poison is in the dosage.

Not sure why the world finds this so hard to understand, but I think we have the same issue with politics. Everything seems to suffer from binaryism. everything is either good or bad, right or wrong, healthy or unhealthy, us or them...

the world and life in general is full of shades of gray. its not 1's and 0's.

[eragone]

I think any reasonable interpretation of the comment you’re replying to is not “sleep is always good” but rather “sleep is good, on the whole”, which is absolutely true.

Both studies you linked indicate correlation not causation

[AtlasBarfed]

Do others not get a lot of headaches on caffeine? Yeah there's ones that come with going off caffeine, but the amount of headaches days I have a month plummets once off of the stuff.

[rrrrrrrrrrrryan]

That's either dehydration or withdrawal. Caffeine is a diuretic.

If you consume roughly the same amount of caffeine at the same time each day, and go out of your way to drink more water, caffeine use won't cause headaches.

[rubicon33]

Caffeine is in many anti-headache drugs because it literally is a vasoconstrictor that helps reduce headache.

[ethanbond]

I don’t get headaches from caffeine and I imagine most daily drinkers don’t either.