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I was just reflecting your thinking - somehow you feel that Postman/Slack/.... owe something to you. Pay them to do what you want, or stop using them.

You feel entitled to use a $10K machine to compensate for slow IntelliJ for maximum productivity and convenience, yet deny others (Postman/Slack/...) using the most productive and convenient technology for them (Electron). And while continuing to use their convenient products, you say they are bad. Use IRC, use curl instead of Postman.

The Postman programmers say the same thing: our users have $3K+ machines, no point in optimizing code to be fast, instead lets add more features since it's clearly working and our users are not switching. Obviously they love the iteration speed that Electron gives us.

[maccard]

> Pay them to do what you want, or stop using them.

I've been a paying slack customer for a decade at this point. I pulled up my email, my support ticket for "slack is using more ram than visual studio" was in February 2015. I don't have the political sway over Salesforce to makthem make these sorts of decisions.

> You feel entitled to use a $10K machine to compensate for slow...

Youre doing it again. I don't feel entitled. I don't have a choice in my chat app, my employer forces it on me. And even if I did, slack is on the whole the least worst option. As for postman. I did the same thing. I was a paying customer, I submitted support tickets, provided traces when asked and ultimately I did decide to change tool.

> while continuing to use their convenient products, you say they are bad.

Am I not allowed to have an opinion just because I have a fast machine? Am I not allowed to want my software to be better?

> The Postman programmers say the same thing:

No they say "performance is a top priority for us, we're sorry you're not happy with it. Please send us your hardware specs" and the ticket gets auto closed after 2 weeks.

> Obviously they love the iteration speed that Electron gives us.

It's not just electron - snappy electron apps exist. Startup time aside. VSCode is pretty damn good. Figma is an excellent example of how good it can be (and if you want to compare what it looks like when a company cares Vs a company doesn't, see figma and Miro).

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> I've been a paying slack customer for a decade at this point

$10/month is not what I meant by "paying them". I worked at a company where clients would routinely pay us $200K to implement a particular niche feature which was not on the roadmap. If they asked for a non-roadmap feature, yes, the ticket would be closed "not-planned".

[cxr]

You seem to be choosing to engage with your own least charitable inferences rather than what reflects your counterpart's actual position. Viz:

> the alternative option isn't there

> I don't feel entitled. I don't have a choice in my chat app

Your responses are predicated on the option being there and the person you're responding to is just not taking it. This despite the fact that his or her responses strongly suggest they would take it if it were there, but it's simply not an option.

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There is always an option. Threaten your employer you'll leave if they make you use Slack, quit programming and become a farmer who touches grass every day.

All this Electron app complaining reads like First-World Problems(TM).

[maccard]

Overly-reductionist arguments are not helpful. Suggesting that I quit my job because I disagree with the tech stack of a billion dollar company might be one of the dumbest things I've seen on this site in the 15 years or so I've been here.

[cxr]

You know we can read back the comments that were posted in this thread and check your response against the context, right? You just moved the goalposts from being willing to pay for the product that would need to be changed to address the complaints, to refusing to use the software complained about.

[dist-epoch]

I'm not moving anything. Parent obviously doesn't want to pay the millions Slack would probably ask to make it "efficient" (whatever that means), you say parent has no alternative, I'm providing alternatives.

Or one can go back complaining "how the world is cruel, people are mean and greedy, I'm a good and misunderstood person which writes the most efficient and user considering software, unlike the evil people at Slack"