[szasamasa]

99% agree

but it is not oligarch who get the taxes, apple stock owners I guess

it is somehow the job of Apple management to maximize profit, they are doing this

question is whether they really optimizing future profits with this behaviour, they could have moved on already

I wanted to buy my mum an iphone, I am all linux and android, my partner has iphone and ipad and even if I dont like apple and microsoft logic, they are good products

I thought with face id it is easier to be safe and she will not really see that I forced a pass manager on her :)

and I was sure now apple abandons this behaviour and they were put on the right track, apple was somehow an option for me... until this happened

no way I ever buy an iphone anytime in the future for anybody

but I am probably a minority... I think this kind of behaviour is disgusting that apple does

however, if app store revenue is 100B dollar, every year, logically understandable, 500 million fines are noting

still, the world is governed by emotions too, and I will never forgive Apple

[Fischgericht]

I'm using the term "oligarch" here to try make it clear why "let's have a very small number of not democratically elected people/organizations in control of your human rights" historically has proven not to be a very good idea, and why it's somewhat better to have a functioning democracy taking care of that. And as a huge chunk of our human rights are now digital and managed by corporations, it means that it's essential to maintain a free market, so that at least some choice is left.

It makes me feel old, but I do remember the times when the US lectured EU countries about those concepts. It's frustrating that people here who clearly are expected to be well educated and who might be coming from that country that used to lecture others about freedom, free markets and ownership rights no longer put any value in that.

It all appears to be empty words these days. "Stand your ground"? No? It's my hardware. I paid for it, with money I got from doing work. I own it. It's mine. I decide what Apps I install, I decide what music I listen to, I decide if I want to watch porn on it. Why has the concept of "owning" something lost all meaning to some?

[szasamasa]

well in a sense the right word may be oligarch...

US companies control all OSs but linux... they are surely working together with NSa and the US government which in turn let them become extremely powerful monopolies... what are oligarchs? people who play together with strong governments... Ithink the upper management of these US companies not just become oligarch-rich from soaring stock prices but the actual thing oligarch enjoy is power which is not 1 to 1 money

in the economical sense stock companies have shareholders, simple employees and management and the goal is to maximize profit... totally legit and apple is seemingly doing this by crippling the web because using apps from taxed app store and using browsers to browse simple websites is what fits their thinking and current(!) sales model

but you are right, why do people argue for apple I really dont understand... all you have to do if you want to stay simple and apple-safe to follow their suggestions, use safari, never download other browsers, do not use other app stores etc... a choice will not make their system worse

and what I want to add, I am not sure Apple actually on the profit max way with these decisions... not because I never buy iphones ever again because most people who buy apple rather tend to beleive them and accept and follow which is an understandable strategy when there is so much information around

but they missed making Safari THE browser where they now could distribute Apple products on all OS which may have lead to doubling the great profits we see nowadays... they could have bought tesla or porsche which fits this individualistic walled garden system they are so good at...they missed the cloud business, missed ai and who knows what else

and sometimes it is better long term if you lose some money but you let your developers experience some real competition which leads to actually better present value of long term future profits even if you lose some monopolistic profit

is it not apple have become? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3NASGb5m8s

and they do not have to disappear to fail, we never know the relative path, what could have happened... maybe being the biggest market cap company of the world is still failing relative to following a path with more competition, innovation etc...