[throwanem]

Well, I can't speak to any of that, for the reason with which I ended my prior comment: it is much worse than anything I've seen.

Had I sooner recognized the context in which I made that prior comment, I likely would not have; I only left it up after the edit for the sake of possible benefit to others familiar with the context in which I wrote it.

In retrospect, I lack confidence in that decision, but it's far too late to delete the comment now.

I will say that, given the opportunity in adult life to observe firsthand such behavior as you describe, I suspect I would incline in response to much the same methods which served me well in youth.