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Counterpoint. Engineers created meeting hell.

You know what's a bad meeting? Any Scrum meeting or status 'sync'. Meetings are invaluable. Get together frequently to talk about what you're actually trying to build with the stakeholders and you don't need process, you barely even need tickets.

But you have to be present, involved and responsive to jump on a quick call.

Instead engineers whine about context switching and how the business context of their work is irrelevant "just put it in a ticket". So now we have micromanagement up the wazoo with execrable Scrum type meetings.

I love meetings and feel a lot of anger to the type of engineer who thinks it's beneath them. Equally I detest all 'ceremonies', absolute time wasting dregs.

[drewcoo]

Well those scrum meetings (back before people capitalized scrum) were owned by self-organizing teams whose agile (which used to also be lower-case) methods were to fit those meetings and all other structure to their needs, adding or discarding freely.

Then came the consultants selling books and then training. And then the Scrum Masters with their certificates. And somehow the whole thing morphed from self-managing teams into externally micromanaged teams.

Hint: the engineers were not consultants nor were they Scrum Masters because they already had plenty of work to do.

[icedchai]

Yes. We didn't used to have all this ceremonial crap. I remember having good planning sessions, we'd talk about what were actually going to do, then we'd do it (with some conversations in between as needed), then meet up in a week to see where we were. None of this micromanagement BS.

[marcinzm]

Or you know, the impact of context switching on you and on most other engineers is not the same. But no, that's not possible, everyone is exactly just like you, they're all just whiners.