[SXX]

It's not like west suppose to kill or inprison them. Just go after their finances and throughfully check their source of wealth. Lots of lots of people who are close to Putins regime continue to live in a west and spend money they get out of Russia.

[Muehe]

The Geneva Convention (part IV) is pretty clear on this matter:

> Article 33 - Individual responsibility, collective penalties, pillage, reprisals

> No protected person may be punished for an offence he or she has not personally committed. Collective penalties and likewise all measures of intimidation or of terrorism are prohibited.

> Pillage is prohibited.

> Reprisals against protected persons and their property are prohibited.

[SXX]

KYC and AML procedures have nothing to do with Geneva convention. There are a lot of Putin cronies whose families still live in west and launder money they make on this war every single day.

[tagyro]

To add to this: Germany is more than happy to launder russian money - see Deutsche Bank, Vivid money, Solaris Bank etc. BaFin (the financial regulatory authority in Germany) ignores the situation (like they did with Wirecard)

[azmodeus]

Could you share more info about vivid? I used to be a customer for a while. How was it used for money laundering?

[tagyro]

Believe or not ...I can't

A couple of months (more like years, maybe?) ago it was fairly easy to find many articles about FSB money being laundered through Vivid. But, lo and behold, a search for "FSB" and "Vivid" returns some very ...strange articles: https://imgur.com/VOCNvna

Did Vivid create specific articles to thwart any specific results from appearing? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz8RjPAD2Jk

In Germany only, the company "lost" 60+ millions euros (the information for Netherlands is not available/public?) - https://www.northdata.de/Vivid+Money+GmbH,+Berlin/Amtsgerich...

[edit on my previous comment: it seems Vivid moved from Germany to Netherlands, one might think that BaFin is doing something after all?]

[later edit: searching some more https://www.reddit.com/r/germany/comments/ot5guf/vividmoney_...]

[Muehe]

Well sure. However you didn't say go after them for money laundering in your OP. You said go after the families of war-enablers.

[SXX]

My post clearly says "enact personal sanctions".

Freezing someone stolen wealth has nothing to do with a war crimes.

[Muehe]

Enact personal sanctions against war-enablers, which is fine with me by the way. But the family of war-enablers are not necessarily involved in their crimes. You didn't mention stolen wealth or money laundering at all. You said:

> And their families and kids who all keep their money in US, UK and EU.

Let's just say, for arguments sake, there is a child who is genuinely estranged from his war-enabling parents, living in Europe on his own dime. Should they fall under these sanctions? I would say no.

[kikimora]

War enablers have nothing, their families apparently have a lot, somehow. A strict KYC/AML would quickly find connections of their family wealth to Russia, Putin and his regime. However reality is banks forced to go after each and every Russian due to universal requirements which they have to apply to all equally. This makes any sort of comprehensive KYC/AML checks impossible because of the scale they have to applied at. These restrictions really target ordinary Russians while high-net-worth individuals find their ways around. West should dig under specific individual rather than doing what it does today. Navalny’s ACF has a list to start with.