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by chabes 857 days ago
Sounds like your buddy is just using the organic title for marketing purposes. That is unfortunate, but not uncommon.

Here’s a source that doesn’t fit your buddy’s description…

Along the central coast of California, conventional strawberry growers apply chemicals like methyl bromide, an internationally banned substance that is no longer being manufactured, but is stockpiled for exemptions to the ban, which these growers exploit. Alternatively they have been experimenting with methyl iodide and other hardcore synthetic chemicals. They hire undocumented laborers to apply them.

Organic strawberry growers, on the other hand, use crop rotation of a brassica crop as a bio-fumigant, and they grow rows of alfalfa as a trap crop where pest infestations can be literally vacuumed up with a tractor implement.

In this case, there is a huge difference.

It is true that the National Organic Program is a joke, since they let the board get taken over by corporate big ag long ago. That doesn’t mean “it just makes people feel good and there is virtually zero difference”. In some cases it does, but to paint the whole thing as such is denying the larger reality.

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"It is true that the National Organic Program is a joke, since they let the board get taken over by corporate big ag long ago. That doesn’t mean “it just makes people feel good and there is virtually zero difference”. In some cases it does, but to paint the whole thing as such is denying the larger reality."

The national program is the one that matters, right? Most people consuming organic produce in the US are affected by this. Isn't that the larger reality? The people who know and buy from their local organic strawberry farmer has to be the .0001 edge case.

The NOP is what I’m referring to as making a difference.

It is at the same time also much less adherent to the philosophy of organics than it could be.

Both are true at the same time. The standards are weakened by big ag, but they are still much less toxic and polluting than conventional standards (or lack there of)

> Here’s a source

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You are an organic strawberry farmer?

I have been involved in organic agriculture, including strawberry production, for more than 15 years. I do consulting, regulatory compliance, and data analysis.

Not currently focused on strawberries, but cannabis has a similar story. The organic alternatives, even the hardcore ones, are less toxic and have much less residual than what is regularly used in conventional agriculture.

My experience is that if you are on that side of things no one is gonna be honest with you. To them you are just someone to fool.
My experience deals with data and validation, over many years…not what someone tells me