[Scubabear68]

Math is a tool used to describe the universe, not the universe itself.

The map is not the territory.

[a_wild_dandan]

You appear to be shadowboxing an argument where no arguments were made. If anything in my observational comment strikes you as remotely controversial or contradictory to yours, something has gone awry.

[MeImCounting]

Thank you for saying this. This is very true and a perspective that is all too relevant to this discussion and many others.